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Old 10-28-2014, 08:39 PM   #21
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Auto crashes more than doubled at busy Houston intersections after red light cameras were pulled from those areas, according to figures released by the Houston Police Department.

The controversial network of cameras installed at 50 high-risk intersections was taken down after it was defeated in a November 2010 referendum, halting an estimated $10 million in annual revenue to HPD. After the vote, the city filed a lawsuit against American Traffic Solutions, based in Arizona, to settle a breach of the camera contract, and eventually agreed to reimburse ATS $4.8 million for early termination.
Am I the only one wondering if we can have that data reviewed by a more neutral source? Before even arguing about the rest, let's do that.
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The traffic numbers were part of an HPD staff presentation to the city council's Public Safety Committee Tuesday morning. HPD is also proposing a "Strategic Growth Plan" that over the next five years would require a projected $105 million to pay the salaries and equipment of 540 additional officers.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...ed-5852853.php
THIS is the most important part of the article. At the very least the cops cherry picked a single intersection that showed the numbers they wanted, to support increasing the payroll.

What better way than robot cameras to quietly monitor 24/7 and then a computer automatically issues a citation?

the technology exists to just wire everybody's cars to alert the police any time you exceed the speed limit and then auto issue a ticket. Or failure to use your turn signal. Or any number of other infractions that could be monitored right in your car.
You could get 5 speeding tickets just on the way to work unless you were super careful to never go above the limit... Ever.

How would you, "Don't break the law, you don't have anything to worry about" people would support THAT idea?
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I dont like the cameras but i think its a good idea unless it will not allow u to:
Stop before the white line
Inch forward to check for clearance
Proceed and turn right during a red light.

Penalize lawbreakers n use the money to fix something for the city.
But cant we hire a Texas based company? ??????
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I dont like the cameras but i think its a good idea unless it will not allow u to:

Stop before the white line

Inch forward to check for clearance

Proceed and turn right during a red light.



Penalize lawbreakers n use the money to fix something for the city.

But cant we hire a Texas based company? ??????

The money will never fix anything. It's a cash generating system for those who pushed for them. Nothing more
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Can someone please explain how a camera, mounted higher than the normal plane of view acts as a deterrent to run a light? If it were really about safety, would it not be easier to and cheaper jsut to place an empty cop car near the intersection? people would SEE the cop car and react.

They do this on the beltway at times bw8/westheimer and a few other spots and you can actually see people slow down/react to the empty car..

its a money generating device, period.


http://www.motorists.org/red-light-c...ease-accidents

800% increase in rear end accidents ( lol thats what she said )
http://www.motorists.org/red-light-c...h-county-times
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THIS is the most important part of the article. At the very least the cops cherry picked a single intersection that showed the numbers they wanted, to support increasing the payroll.
It's fun to make up because you're against it
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Four years after Houston voters rejected red-light cameras, the divisive issue unexpectedly resurfaced Tuesday when police officials presented figures indicating that removing the cameras made 51 busy intersections more dangerous.
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Can someone please explain how a camera, mounted higher than the normal plane of view acts as a deterrent to run a light?
I guess you didn't see the red-light camera signs either

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LOL nope... But maybe if you post a bigger picture I can see it.
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It sure is!
On the other hand, the article in your original post said they took down a network of cameras at 50 intersections.
Somehow that made 51 intersections more dangerous?
Those cameras really do work!
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It sure is!
On the other hand, the article in your original post said they took down a network of cameras at 50 intersections.
Somehow that made 51 intersections more dangerous?
Those cameras really do work!
That's all you got?

Pinkerton wrote both stories. Maybe he rounded the number in his first article. I'd write him a nasty email if I were you.
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If I say I want them back, will you volunteer to come attempt the kicking???
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That's gotta be worse than a rider being t-boned by a red light running Ford
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So what if it is about generating revenue?

If in one yr it saves one minvan full of kids and mom being slaughtered by a duelly in a hurry, and pump millions into the city revenue stream so there is less pressure to raise property tax, and frees up cops to do other law enforcement... that's a win win win in my book.

The vast majority of drivers getting popped are guilty as sin. Don't think this is about freedom and not about avoiding getting caught breaking the law.
here we go..... thats a slippery slope your stepping onto.
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I support the red light cameras.
I've never received a ticket due to one, and I've never been in an accident due to one either. I've witnessed 2 fatalities due to idiots running red lights, one was a pedestrian crossing the street and I'll never forget watching that man get smoked by that truck. Have you ever felt a lifeless body that was still warm to the touch while attempting to comfort someone that was slowly fading into permanent darkness? I support the revenue generated by the cameras, it helps to offset the high cost of the societal leeches. I support photo enforcement of basic traffic crimes, the cameras seem far more effective than paying foot fetish weirdo cops to do the same job. I support personal freedoms and less government intrusion into our lives, but I also support holding yourself accountable for your own actions. Most people getting tickets ARE violating basic traffic laws. I support Shelnutt putting his money where his mouth is. This is the internet, and the last time I checked, people on this forum regularly ruffle each others feathers for dramatic effect. If you don't like my comments in this forum, ban me, make sure it's permanent and not a silly 3 day vacation.
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Really. The point is if you want the cameras nack, you're an .
as stated before I got a ticket because continued with a right hand turn on yellow because the line of cars in the turn lane were still hauling and the light happened to turn red before my entire car crossed the white line. WTF was I supposed to do slam on my brakes? people drive crazy as over there. Clearly if they issued 75,000 tickets at that intersection in a month fpr doong the same thing, I'm not the only one who was worried about getting rear ended.
Im not surprised someone posted statistics that linked them to an 800% oncrease in rear end collisions...so there goes your safety excuse. What's left other than you're some dudley do right idiot?
Issuing a ticket for running a redlight is something that should require a humans judgement. In some situations it's better to run it than slam on your brakes. A camera issuing tickets can't determine any of that and apparently niether can some of you.
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Issuing a ticket for running a redlight is something that should require a humans judgement. In some situations it's better to run it than slam on your brakes. A camera issuing tickets can't determine any of that and apparently niether can some of you.
Uh, a human does issue the ticket. In Houston every "violation" had to be reviewed by a human before a ticket was mailed.

To answer your question: Drive the posted speed limit and anticipate yellow lights. You know you were in a hurry.
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I support the red light cameras.
I've never received a ticket due to one, and I've never been in an accident due to one either.
Gee I suppose that's why you support it. Because you've never had to slam on your brakes and get rear ended and have never recieved some BS tocket where you have to slow the video down and watch numerous times to see where your cars tires were still behind the line.

Where do you drive regularly? I'm assuming you rarely drive through the galleria or any similar area of downtown.
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