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Old 10-17-2014, 07:57 AM   #161
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So there was some mix up during that 20-min session. Assuming each level gets 8 session for say $150 they paid, that works out to $18 a session. Is it really worth risking your life/bike as well as others to keep pushing lvl 3 pace, after you found out lvl 2 riders are out there?

What caused the accident isn't so much the mix-up created by the organizers, it is the actions of those who refuse to slow down the pace when there are very clear signs they should.
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What caused the accident isn't so much the mix-up created by the organizers, it is the actions of those who refuse to slow down the pace when there are very clear signs they should.
Winner winner, chicken dinner.

EVERYONE that is approaching a slower rider has the option to simply roll off and watch before taking any action.

It may be a bummer at times, but it is safe.
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yup every rider i approach on track i watch them for a turn or two and then make a pass. Unless i know them and know they will hold a line.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:27 AM   #164
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Hey hows it going? I pitted next to you this past Sunday. I left my toolbox......who got it? :(

I have your tool box.. it's in the back of my truck!!!
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:32 AM   #165
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On what date did he drop it?
As of this AM. There have been no Motions for Dismissal in partial or whole.
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yup every rider i approach on track i watch them for a turn or two and then make a pass. Unless i know them and know they will hold a line.
Nugggga calm down you didnt pass anyone
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Chris- Ok ok. Maybe that bmw s1000rr at TWS (Texas World Speedway) in turn 1 when you were riding the ninja 250
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he has passed me for the record.
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he has passed me for the record.
Its a joke. He's one of the faster guys on our light weight endurance team
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Lucky for you. He may sue you for defamation of character.
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I already owe him for last week for a favor lmao I dont need a law suit
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Wow. I'm not saying I change my stance on the issue, but I'm starting to feel for the guy. I give Josh props for being honest but at the same time he's admitting he shouldn't have been out there. Is a law suit necessary no but I'd be to. I use to speed skate and my buddy broke his leg during a closed practice because a novice and much younger skater got on the floor when he shouldn't have. That was a lot of incurred medical bills for something that wasn't his fault.
Level 2 would not be a novice. A novice racer perhaps. Personally I jump between level 2 and level 3 on trackdays. Some days I just don't feel like going as fast, or on tighter tracks I physically can't because of the bike Im on (really only at GSS).

But here is what I have to say. No Matter What LEVEL You Are In, There Will Always Be A Few Slower Riders. Yes they my park it in the corners, yes they might have poor throttle control, but no matter what, It is ALWAYS your responsibility to get yourself around that rider safely. Its common sense and protects both riders, especially the rider getting passed that might not be aware of it.

That being said JE was not in the wrong. As long as he was maintaining a predictable line, and wasn't swerving all over the place... Its the passing riders responsibility. Period.
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That being said JE was not in the wrong. As long as he was maintaining a predictable line, and wasn't swerving all over the place... Its the passing riders responsibility. Period.
He said he waved. Someone who saw the video said he came into the line. I think that if you go on a track you are responsible for anything not malicious but I could easily see how the passing rider isn't totally at fault.
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Level 2 would not be a novice. A novice racer perhaps. Personally I jump between level 2 and level 3 on trackdays. Some days I just don't feel like going as fast, or on tighter tracks I physically can't because of the bike Im on (really only at GSS).

But here is what I have to say. No Matter What LEVEL You Are In, There Will Always Be A Few Slower Riders. Yes they my park it in the corners, yes they might have poor throttle control, but no matter what, It is ALWAYS your responsibility to get yourself around that rider safely. Its common sense and protects both riders, especially the rider getting passed that might not be aware of it.

That being said JE was not in the wrong. As long as he was maintaining a predictable line, and wasn't swerving all over the place... Its the passing riders responsibility. Period.

Bear with me...you may need to picture this in your head as you read it.

The passer decided to pass on the outside. Per Josh's account he was to the right side of the track gong into 12 (which makes sense) and waved them past thinking they would pass on the left (inside). Twelve is a left handed turn.

The passer stated an inside pass wouldn't be safe. This is incorrect. An inside pass would be the SAFEST as IF he spooked the passee, the higher probability is that a spooked rider rolls off and/stands the bike up and moves to the OUTSIDE (or right in this case) of the turn.

Just another data point that the passer screwed up. Had he followed the standard more experienced riders use, he would have passed on the inside and Josh would have stayed wide. Even with Josh turning his head and going further to the right edge, it all would have been OK.

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no, its not a race and i wasnt racing. i had asked cody to follow and critique me, we were only third session, taking it easy hitting apexes and maintaing a line.
where the accident happened, i and cody had over 8' gap from edge of track to rider, coming up on left turn. cody agrees that if he had been in front he would have attempted the same outside pass on the rider even with his speed so low, there was plenty room and an inside pass would have been dangerous.
the rider looked behind him and 8' turned to 1 foot in a split second. im the kind of person whose not cocky or wanta pass everyone, im the guy that holdsoff on a pass if its even close to sketchy. i know u dont know me and believe what you will, but in this case i feel i did everything correctly and what is expected in lvl 3, and an unfortunate line of circumstances led to almost losing my life.
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yup every rider i approach on track i watch them for a turn or two and then make a pass. Unless i know them and know they will hold a line.
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Bear with me...you may need to picture this in your head as you read it.

The passer decided to pass on the outside. Per Josh's account he was to the right side of the track gong into 12 (which makes sense) and waved them past thinking they would pass on the left (inside). Twelve is a left handed turn.

The passer stated an inside pass wouldn't be safe. This is incorrect. An inside pass would be the SAFEST as IF he spooked the passee, the higher probability is that a spooked rider rolls off and/stands the bike up and moves to the OUTSIDE (or right in this case) of the turn.

Just another data point that the passer screwed up. Had he followed the standard more experienced riders use, he would have passed on the inside and Josh would have stayed wide. Even with Josh turning his head and going further to the right edge, it all would have been OK.

See below.

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no, its not a race and i wasnt racing. i had asked cody to follow and critique me, we were only third session, taking it easy hitting apexes and maintaing a line.
where the accident happened, i and cody had over 8' gap from edge of track to rider, coming up on left turn. cody agrees that if he had been in front he would have attempted the same outside pass on the rider even with his speed so low, there was plenty room and an inside pass would have been dangerous.
the rider looked behind him and 8' turned to 1 foot in a split second. im the kind of person whose not cocky or wanta pass everyone, im the guy that holdsoff on a pass if its even close to sketchy. i know u dont know me and believe what you will, but in this case i feel i did everything correctly and what is expected in lvl 3, and an unfortunate line of circumstances led to almost losing my life.
I think you might want to re-read what I said. I did not say it was Josh's fault, in fact I defended him.

Pawl or how ever you fawking spell it, was completely in the wrong. Hence why I said, and I quote: "Its the passing riders responsibility. Period.". As in, the rider who is attempting a pass is held responsible for making said pass sound and safe.
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I think you might want to re-read what I said. I did not say it was Josh's fault, in fact I defended him.

Pawl or how ever you fawking spell it, was completely in the wrong. Hence why I said, and I quote: "Its the passing riders responsibility. Period.". As in, the rider who is attempting a pass is held responsible for making a sound and safe pass.
We are on the same page, I was offering support to your statement. Sorry if it came across differently.
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We are on the same page, I was offering support to your statement. Sorry if it came across differently.
No worries. I took your post as something that was intended directly for me. So I was trying to picture it in my head

But we were getting at the same Idea
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