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Old 10-16-2014, 03:13 PM   #101
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Did he end DPS involvement in all track days?
He ended the certificate that the DPS wanted instructors to have, in particular, those who were teaching Advanced Riding Techniques or Race Schools. He had them modify the wording in the code which in essence changed the law.

Of course when all that happened, with the exception of Dave Wonders at Ridesmart, did any of the orgs stand up to them. As a matter of fact, I paid Peyton myself. They didn't back each other... as a matter of fact, for the sake of drama, one Org actually REPORTED another Org and that triggered the crackdown.

Whether you or anyone like Extreme and it's owner, ALL THE ORGS, should stand together against this kind of BS. An Org losing a lawsuit, based on some perceived negligence, would be a big time loser for folks who like to ride for $100.
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He ended the certificate that the DPS wanted instructors to have, in particular, those who were teaching Advanced Riding Techniques or Race Schools. He had them modify the wording in the code which in essence changed the law.

Of course when all that happened, with the exception of Dave Wonders at Ridesmart, did any of the orgs stand up to them. As a matter of fact, I paid Peyton myself. They didn't back each other... as a matter of fact, for the sake of drama, one Org actually REPORTED another Org and that triggered the crackdown.

Whether you or anyone like Extreme and it's owner, ALL THE ORGS, should stand together against this kind of BS. An Org losing a lawsuit, based on some perceived negligence, would be a big time loser for folks who like to ride for $100.

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Old 10-16-2014, 03:18 PM   #103
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This guy should be banned from all trackdays, race events, etc forsure.
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He ended the certificate that the DPS wanted instructors to have, in particular, those who were teaching Advanced Riding Techniques or Race Schools. He had them modify the wording in the code which in essence changed the law.

Of course when all that happened, with the exception of Dave Wonders at Ridesmart, did any of the orgs stand up to them. As a matter of fact, I paid Peyton myself. They didn't back each other... as a matter of fact, for the sake of drama, one Org actually REPORTED another Org and that triggered the crackdown.

Whether you or anyone like Extreme and it's owner, ALL THE ORGS, should stand together against this kind of BS. An Org losing a lawsuit, based on some perceived negligence, would be a big time loser for folks who like to ride for $100.
I don't think anyone on the track should be able to sue unless it's blatantly obvious that one was intentionally trying to harm or kill another.

If I walked to the wall and hurled my helmet at your head as you're doing triple digits I think you or your loved ones reserve the right to sue me.
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This guy should be banned from all trackdays, race events, etc forsure.
I don't know give him a chance to defend himself.

If found to be an asshat, sure.

if I can get sued for being to slow I better stay off the track.
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I don't know give him a chance to defend himself.

If found to be an asshat, sure.

if I can get sued for being to slow I better stay off the track.
I hit you, then I sue you!? Oh yeah, makes perfect sense.
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I've never done a track day nor have I even been a spectator at one either. This is the exact reason I haven't to be honest. I agree the guy is a douche, but if someone caused me to crash I'd be mad too. After reviewing the info it appears he was at fault or at least somewhat at fault. If you can't afford to lose it all then he shouldn't have been out there.

That's why you guys will never see me at a track day lol

Good luck on your case bud, you should win it no prob.
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I don't think anyone on the track should be able to sue unless it's blatantly obvious that one was intentionally trying to harm or kill another.

If I walked to the wall and hurled my helmet at your head as you're doing triple digits I think you or your loved ones reserve the right to sue me.
I think that would clearly pass the intent or wreckless behavior water mark despite a waiver. The passing rider is responsible to make a clean safe pass.


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That's why you guys will never see me at a track day lol
I'll still find a way to sue you
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True. I hate the long horns so you could sue me for that
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Sucks to now know that not only are you risking life and limb for the hobby you love. You also risk being sued by some that was obviously too poor to be out there in the first place seeing as he has to sue to help with his losses.
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Sucks to now know that not only are you risking life and limb for the hobby you love. You also risk being sued by some that was obviously too poor to be out there in the first place seeing as he has to sue to help with his losses.
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The first thing that got drilled into my childrens heads before we ever hit a track is that they are responsible for making a clean pass, and moreso, they are obligated to ride their line with the knowledge that the rider behind them will anticipate their actions and pass accordingly. Put Hayden on the stand for the defense...He's 10 years old and will tell you without reservation that the rider behind was at fault. If there was some really unnatural circumstance, chalk it up to a bad day and move on....a law suit? really??
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The first thing that got drilled into my childrens heads before we ever hit a track is that they are responsible for making a clean pass, and moreso, they are obligated to ride their line with the knowledge that the rider behind them will anticipate their actions and pass accordingly. Put Hayden on the stand for the defense...He's 10 years old and will tell you without reservation that the rider behind was at fault. If there was some really unnatural circumstance, chalk it up to a bad day and move on....a law suit? really??
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Extreme Motorsports is not a schoolhttp://extrememotorsportstrackdays.com/about.html
Yes, I know that, which is why I said most track days and td orgs are considered schools. He was speaking in generalities, so I responded in kind.
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The first thing that got drilled into my childrens heads before we ever hit a track is that they are responsible for making a clean pass, and moreso, they are obligated to ride their line with the knowledge that the rider behind them will anticipate their actions and pass accordingly. Put Hayden on the stand for the defense...He's 10 years old and will tell you without reservation that the rider behind was at fault. If there was some really unnatural circumstance, chalk it up to a bad day and move on....a law suit? really??
+1 and thats a 10 yr old telling you WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A CLEAN PASS. people these days wamt to sue for breaking a fingernail, grow the up douchebag we all know the risk of doing a track day and all agree to do it on our own free will. I personally wont get out there without health insurance , dental and vision . Just to be safe on all aspects of what COULD happen.

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Yes, I know that, which is why I said most track days and td orgs are considered schools. He was speaking in generalities, so I responded in kind.
Extreme Motorsports Track Days is NOT a school nor do we instruct in any way. We have created our Track Days so that everyone can come out and practice, have fun, be safe and sue.

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