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Old 10-18-2014, 07:25 PM   #61
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I know you're an older feller, you didn't get your M endorsement before the MSF class? I would have been if I had to do a whole weekend to get my license.
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Why? You might learn something is such a bad thing?
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Why? You might learn something is such a bad thing?
You're right, I may learn something but I just think a 2 day coarse is too much.
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For you maybe, for somebody w 0 it may not be enough
Yep. The weekend coarse should be for people with zero experience or failing written and driving test. There should be something for experienced riders, like it used to be. Then again, the government knows better than me... What was I thinking.
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Yep. The weekend coarse should be for people with zero experience or failing written and driving test. There should be something for experienced riders, like it used to be. Then again, the government knows better than me... What was I thinking.
Maybe happening sooner than you think,
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Yep. The weekend coarse should be for people with zero experience or failing written and driving test. There should be something for experienced riders, like it used to be. Then again, the government knows better than me... What was I thinking.
Sadly just because you have "experience" doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
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You think a two day coarse fixes that?
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How do I figure what? The CHL thing?
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Why? You might learn something is such a bad thing?
The guy who followed me in a car when I took the test for free gave me some of the most awesome advice ever when the test was over. It was quick, like three minutes, but it was so helpful I still remember it. I almost took the course when I couldn't get any of my worthless friends to drive the guy that had to follow me. They didn't want to be in the same car as a cop.
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You think a two day coarse fixes that?
Versus what? No training or being "taught" improperly
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Versus what? No training or being "taught" improperly
Maybe I'm not being clear. I don't think that the class should go away, I think they should bring back the test for people that know how to ride. When I took the written I had to read the book and learn the laws in order to pass the test. Why do I need a 2 day class and a couple hundred buck for that? Ultimately I would be up to the DPS agent to pass or fail and if failed you'd have to take the coarse.
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Maybe I'm not being clear. I don't think that the class should go away, I think they should bring back the test for people that know how to ride. When I took the written I had to read the book and learn the laws in order to pass the test. Why do I need a 2 day class and a couple hundred buck for that? Ultimately I would be up to the DPS agent to pass or fail and if failed you'd have to take the coarse.
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I had been riding SS bikes for 5 years when I took the MSF course, Pro Powersports of Conroe paid for it so I took it with my coworkers just for the insurance discount. I actually had a lot of fun and learned far more than I thought I ever would. Dragging pegs on the schools 250cc cruisers had us laughing the entire time!
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I had been riding SS bikes for 5 years when I took the MSF course, Pro Powersports of Conroe paid for it so I took it with my coworkers just for the insurance discount. I actually had a lot of fun and learned far more than I thought I ever would. Dragging pegs on the schools 250cc cruisers had us laughing the entire time!
I wanted to be on a Ninja when I took the class, but ended up on a Rebel. Asked the instructor what would happen if I got far enough into the turn to scrape the pegs and he just kinda laughed me off. Showed me how far over the bike would have to be before they touch, etc. Apparently not many people like to lean during turns in the class. After the first sweeping turn exercise I look over and he's just shaking his head and laughing. He let me play around on one of the Ninjas on the course during the lunch break the next day.
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I had been riding SS bikes for 5 years when I took the MSF course, Pro Powersports of Conroe paid for it so I took it with my coworkers just for the insurance discount. I actually had a lot of fun and learned far more than I thought I ever would. Dragging pegs on the schools 250cc cruisers had us laughing the entire time!
We actually get this same response out of the "experienced" riders quite a bit. They come in because they have to, and feel that there is nothing that they can learn from a basic course and feel they are wasting their time. By the end of the course they actually admit that they learned something useful from the course and they had fun doing it. A lot of it depends on the rider coach and his facilitating style of teaching. Besides-when is it ever a bad thing when your out and about on 2 wheels?
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I wanted to be on a Ninja when I took the class, but ended up on a Rebel. Asked the instructor what would happen if I got far enough into the turn to scrape the pegs and he just kinda laughed me off. Showed me how far over the bike would have to be before they touch, etc. Apparently not many people like to lean during turns in the class. After the first sweeping turn exercise I look over and he's just shaking his head and laughing. He let me play around on one of the Ninjas on the course during the lunch break the next day.
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We actually get this same response out of the "experienced" riders quite a bit. They come in because they have to, and feel that there is nothing that they can learn from a basic course and feel they are wasting their time. By the end of the course they actually admit that they learned something useful from the course and they had fun doing it. A lot of it depends on the rider coach and his facilitating style of teaching. Besides-when is it ever a bad thing when your out and about on 2 wheels?
If that's the case make it free. If I can pass the test on my own I shouldn't have to take the 2 day course. Make it voluntary even but make it an option.
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GOT my M in Illinois. No classroom course, no cost minus DMV fee or whatever....studied a book, took a written test, rode with a paper permit for like a month with a licensed rider, and then took the actual road course behind the DMV. It was a wait, like 30 minutes in DMV for the permit, another 30 to take the road portion and then 10 minutes to reissue with my new M. Granted, that was 16 or 17 years ago now. I too think the course should be optional....maybe make a 30 day permit mandatory or opt for a 2 day class (your own out of pocket cost) to be exempt from 30 day permit holding.

Drivers Ed was part of my class structure in high school and behind the wheel was after school. How things have changed.
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