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Old 10-07-2014, 09:38 AM   #41
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Let me make sure I'm understanding you correctly, the higher line(which the other rider took) has better visibility to look for other riders, but he couldn't be expected to see a rider on the low line(tank monkey)?

I agree the other rider didn't see TM but only because he wasn't looking.
My thoughts exactly. I wonder if r6racer is EVER not trolling.
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Odd, I've heard directly from Ty's mouth to take the low line.
The banking? Lol wtf so youre saying ty goes on the bottom of the banking and dives into turn 1

Im talking about a higher line of being able to see turn 1 and whats going on
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Ugh... its always the overtaking rider's responsibility to get around safely... I dont care about which is the race line or which is faster... its a track day... and both of them lost in this case, because of a knothead move.
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Again, im not defending that rider maybe you have selective reading. And I understand your points except for the one that tankmonkey could have been higher up and been able to see what was going on to protect himself.

But if you want to get all emotional and stuff again... lol go ahead
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But if you want to get all emotional and stuff again... lol go ahead
Umyr (sp?),

I was having a discussion and there was no emotion in any of my post. I was offering some information in response to your questions that might actually help you.

I've said what I can, if you choose to ignore it, it's your choice.

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Umyr (sp?),

I was having a discussion and there was no emotion in any of my post. I was offering some information in response to your questions that might actually help you.

I've said what I can, if you choose to ignore it, it's your choice.

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I understood your advice and clearly I said I saw what you meant.

Now this is the only point im bringing up is the view you have of that part of the track. He was on the lowrr part, nothing actually wrong with that. Im jist saying he would have had been safer up top and been able to see that rider fly in like that
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Okay I see your point about the front wheel part, that rider didnt really show him a front wheel he just popped up and said boom. But how was he suppose to know tankmonkey was there, I dont think he had any clue

The regular race line I just took it from ty howard and brandt that showed me the same one. Also ive just heard from other people as well the high line is safer cause you can watch out for other riders better. And I feel like this video is backing that up pretty well right now.
Ty told me personally that he takes the low line.
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Odd, I've heard directly from Ty's mouth to take the low line.
I was going to say that I recalled ty mentioning the low line specifically before.

I'm normally like you, umayer - I prefer the higher line for visibility and to have some room to correct when things start going pear shaped. I wasn't trying to put in a fast lap that time around, so I deliberately took the lower line (which we do use on the 250s, right?) thinking that would give folks hauling through there some extra options to get around me, LOL.

from what I can tell, the other guy started his turn in waaaay early - before the '3' brake marker, AND my personal high-line reference point of the square corner of asphalt at the nascar turn 1 entrance wasn't even in view yet (it shows up about 24 seconds in - you can see where the asphalt changes colors from repaving - I clip the corner of that transitioning into T1 from the high line). so from my perspective, he was turned in pretty early.

that is just my perspective, though, and again, I'm still learning something every time I go out on track, so I could be doing it all wrong. it's definitely interesting to hear what other folks do out there and the kinds of reference points they have set for themselves, what works, etc.
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The banking? Lol wtf so youre saying ty goes on the bottom of the banking and dives into turn 1

Im talking about a higher line of being able to see turn 1 and whats going on
Ty is interested in being fast, not "seeing turn 1." The bottom line is faster for 2 reasons:

1. it's a shorter distance to cover.

2. The transition from bank to flat isn't as harsh so the suspension settles sooner.


At the next CMRA round go watch the expert F1 race from that weird 2nd story awning going into one. Nobody takes the high line unless they're trying to make a pass.
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I understood your advice and clearly I said I saw what you meant.

Now this is the only point im bringing up is the view you have of that part of the track. He was on the lowrr part, nothing actually wrong with that. Im jist saying he would have had been safer up top and been able to see that rider fly in like that

Low line....high line....nobody has eyes in the back of their head, bro.
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Ty told me personally that he takes the low line.
Lol im talking about how the start off from the very top (high line)

Ty doesnt stay mid-bottom of the banking the whole time then dive in.
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Ill read the comments through again and I may not be getting something right. Ill check later when im freed up at work more. Later
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His responsibility is to make the ENTIRE PASS safely. Not just up-to-the-point-I-can't-see-him-anymore. ESPECIALLY because this is a trackday.
i LOLed. I'm going to start taking that stance "well, i couldn't see him anymore, not my fault"
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Lol im talking about how the start off from the very top (high line)

Ty doesnt stay mid-bottom of the banking the whole time then dive in.
No, Ty goes as far up the banking as that big twin will take him, but enters T1 very low


So while TM was doing the right thing by staying low to let the faster bikes go around him up top on the straight, even Ty is back down the banking to where TM was by the time he gets to T1.
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I don't think his positioning on the straight would have changed anything, they still wouldn't have met till TM was down in his line for the turn anyway. Putting any fault on TM is the same as rear ending someone and blaming them for being on the road.
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After watching the video several times, this is what I believe happened.

The rider that took the higher line seems to be on a 1K, I think he got spooked about how fast he was going. He turned in way too early, and got in front of TankMonkey. Since he was braking hard, while TM was still accelerating, TM hit him.

Looks very similar to the F1 crash between Checo Perez and Felipe Massa had at the Canadian GP earlier this year.

In that crash, Perez was penalized...in this analogy, Perez = the other rider, which I believe to be at fault as well. There was nothing TM could do to avoid it.

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Okay I see your point about the front wheel part, that rider didnt really show him a front wheel he just popped up and said boom. But how was he suppose to know tankmonkey was there, I dont think he had any clue

The regular race line I just took it from ty howard and brandt that showed me the same one. Also ive just heard from other people as well the high line is safer cause you can watch out for other riders better. And I feel like this video is backing that up pretty well right now.
How could he not know tankmonkey was there? He was trying to pass him along with the camera bike! That is totally absurd!

On a side note, people either take a low line or a high line. They don't start a high line then decide half way through to change to a low line. People that are on the high line don't enter turn 1 below the blend line on the ground.

I've been racing and doing track days for a very long time and this same guy almost took me out doing the same thing. I've never seen someone do anything like this before.
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