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Old 09-19-2014, 08:42 PM   #41
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Okay, so why did this officer kill himself over this issue?

Guys, what you have to understand about all this is that this is more than simply perjury. This is potentially MUCH more than that.

What these officers were doing, with four people involved in a scheme that fraudulently took a great deal of money from the city, was a criminal conspiracy. At the very least, he was going to get nailed for some type of felony theft charge, embezzlement, something. At the worst, he was going to face some kind of racket charges, and that is federal.

This officer knew he was caught involved in something that not only would destroy his career, but would most likely result in prison time. He was toast, done, kaput.

That is the psychology behind him punching his own ticket. Being a cop gets in your blood. It's who you are. He was going to not only lose that, but become the complete opposite of what he was supposed to be representing and what he had held out to be for decades. Corrupt cop or not, he felt he was a cop, part of a fraternity, and now no longer.

I'm not mourning him, and I'm CERTAINLY not justifying what he did, I'm simply answering the question of why would he kill himself.

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What these officers were doing, with four people involved in a scheme that fraudulently took a great deal of money from the city, was a criminal conspiracy. At the very least, he was going to get nailed for some type of felony theft charge, embezzlement, something. At the worst, he was going to face some kind of racket charges, and that is federal.

This officer knew he was caught involved in something that not only would destroy his career, but would most likely result in prison time. He was toast, done, kaput.
While I agree with your description above of how serious something like this is, there's a big disconnect w. the above and the 45 day suspension the last guilty officers suffered who pulled the same racket. What's up with that?
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It probably was not the equivalent of organized crime for the 45 day guy. This is huge
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The last one was not any small raquet either....they accrued almost a million in overtime between the four
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It probably was not the equivalent of organized crime for the 45 day guy. This is huge
From 2008 to the present, the four officers who specialize in writing tickets together were paid $943,000 in overtime, city payroll records show.

The punishments handed down Sept. 4 by Police Chief Charles McClelland range from 20 to 45 days off without pay, concluding a lengthy investigation by HPD internal affairs triggered by tickets issued in April 2011.
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Have you googled and read the original story about his suicide?
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Okay, so why did this officer kill himself over this issue?

Guys, what you have to understand about all this is that this is more than simply perjury. This is potentially MUCH more than that.

What these officers were doing, with four people involved in a scheme that fraudulently took a great deal of money from the city, was a criminal conspiracy. At the very least, he was going to get nailed for some type of felony theft charge, embezzlement, something. At the worst, he was going to face some kind of racket charges, and that is federal.

This officer knew he was caught involved in something that not only would destroy his career, but would most likely result in prison time. He was toast, done, kaput.

That is the psychology behind him punching his own ticket. Being a cop gets in your blood. It's who you are. He was going to not only lose that, but become the complete opposite of what he was supposed to be representing and what he had held out to be for decades. Corrupt cop or not, he felt he was a cop, part of a fraternity, and now no longer.

I'm not mourning him, and I'm CERTAINLY not justifying what he did, I'm simply answering the question of why would he kill himself.

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And also, to all the numbskulls using this as YET ANOTHER reason to hate cops, check it out... Guess who caught them?

Cops.

That's who I identify with. So hate away, all you're doing is driving wedges between yourself and those of us who actually do try to make our world a better place. Your call...

Now THAT was a good post. It had substance and insight. Much better than Beavis's.


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You may be joking...but regardless, you are an idiot to post this.
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How's about you not get tickets. Seems simple enough
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While I agree with your description above of how serious something like this is, there's a big disconnect w. the above and the 45 day suspension the last guilty officers suffered who pulled the same racket. What's up with that?
It's really hard for me to say. I don't know the real details of the original case, and I'm not one of those who believes everything I read on the innerwebs, so I'm going to take a shot in the dark.

My best guess is that the first case you're referring to, the officers actually were working in tandem or as a group when they were issuing tickets, OR that the investigators could not prove they actually were not together. But it's not necessary to list another officer as a witness on a simple citation. One officer, the original, is all that is needed. So there may have been a procedural issue, a policy that says only one officer is needed on a routine ticket, but proving a criminal violation would be another matter entirely.

See what I mean? There is a difference between a policy violation and a law violation. One can get you fired. The other can get you jailed.
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Not a lawyer but I am a 3L who is green lighted in FL to appear in front of the bar.

I'd touch base w/ an attorney if you got a ticket from one of these guys. I don't know how Texas laws assess recuperating attorneys fees but it might be there in this case.

Statute of Limitations is different when fraud/perjury is involved so don't be turned away so easily.

There also may be a class action lawsuit against the city w/ punitive damages. So it's in your best interest to sit down w/ a lawyer and know what our legal options are.

If you guys wanna know where to look, start w/ Texas Criminal Procedure and Texas Civil Procedure. Texas Constitution. Jury instructions (this tells what the state needs to prove to find a person guilty beyond a reasonable) are good if the ticket doesn't get overturned and needs to go to trial.

Also, calling the clerks office is helpful as well.


BTW, I don't think this guy killed himself either... In a parking garage? Give me a fuckn' break. Sounds like he wanted out and he got lit up.
Random suicides out of the blue just b/c of a scandal are ULTRA rare.
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And these cops weren't writing bad tickets (in essence) the offenders were almost assuredly guilty of the things alleged in the tickets, the cops were just fleecing the system to get extra overtime. Not that I'm saying that's right.
I find this quite interesting. "Well sure he was completely dirty and scamming the system, but I doubt the dishonesty extended beyond that." WTF?? Really?
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BTW, I don't think this guy killed himself either... In a parking garage? Give me a fuckn' break. Sounds like he wanted out and he got lit up.
Random suicides out of the blue just b/c of a scandal are ULTRA rare.
He got the call from his boys that all of them were being relieved of duty. Rudy checked out of court. Went to his shop which was parked on the 2nd floor of the garage, turned on his overheads, pulled his duty weapon out and inserted into his mouth then pulled the trigger.

An officer saw his lights on and went to see what was up and initially thought maybe a suspect was invloved. Then I guess he figured out what happened. No conspiracy theory. 6 kids,a wife and a girlfriend. I guess he figured out he was better off killing himself. Who knows.
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I find this quite interesting. "Well sure he was completely dirty and scamming the system, but I doubt the dishonesty extended beyond that." WTF?? Really?
Not saying he wasn't dirty or doing other malevolent things, but it's not hard to write speeding tickets. I imagine that as a cop there are so many potential violators that you pretty much have to look the other way most of the time because otherwise you'd be writing speeding tickets constantly.

I figure there's no reason to make up charges against speeding drivers when they're so easy to get legitimately. These guys were probably using justifiable tickets in order to rack up more overtime for each other.
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Here's the big question I'd like to hear answered honestly. What's in it for the cops to go to the degree of fraud to get these tickets through? What do they gain to take this risk to write tickets? There has to be some benefit to cops if they write a certain number of tickets that is very lucrative.
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Here's the big question I'd like to hear answered honestly. What's in it for the cops to go to the degree of fraud to get these tickets through? What do they gain to take this risk to write tickets? There has to be some benefit to cops if they write a certain number of tickets that is very lucrative.
It's very clear in all the articles. They were listing each other as witnesses so they could go to court for the overtime.
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Here's the big question I'd like to hear answered honestly. What's in it for the cops to go to the degree of fraud to get these tickets through? What do they gain to take this risk to write tickets? There has to be some benefit to cops if they write a certain number of tickets that is very lucrative.
They did it for the overtime.
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