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Old 09-17-2014, 10:41 AM   #41
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Actually.. using the rear slightly before the front settles the chassis and reduces the front dive.. but you have to ease off when the rear eventually jacks in the air

You also adjust the rear brake so it is virtually impossible to lock without taking your foot off the peg and stomping.

It's one of the skills that if you don't practice and learn what your braking limits are, you won't know until its too late and you endo on someones GoPro footage.
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:42 AM   #42
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I know that swerving and low siding would have been better and less medical issues than grabbing a handful of front brake and high siding on your face!!!!
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:44 AM   #43
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Old 09-17-2014, 10:57 AM   #44
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I've probably got somewhere between 60-80k street miles over 7 years, and don't know about riding at the limits they do on the track.

That said, I still think TMax is full of . The static friction coefficient (tire surface "static" in reference to the ground while rolling) is going to be higher than the dynamic friction coefficient (tire sliding across ground while locked up). You will always stop faster when your tires are rolling than when they're locked up. It's the exact same principle that makes you accelerate faster when your rear tire is "gripping".

While using any rear brake is bound to give you more overall braking force than just the front, I don't think it would've made much difference in this case.
That is what I was going to say once I got him to admit that a locked up tire is better. Which if that was the case what is the point of abs?
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Are people aware that street bikes CAN roll through grass?
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whhhhaaaaa???!!!! Crazy talk I'll tell ya!!!
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Lies! Take your nonsense out of here.
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I've seen guys go around the track fast as in advanced with no rear brake.

I don't mean not using a rear brake, I mean the bike had no rear brakes.
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Yes and you can use your rear brake for a lot of other things besides panic stops, such as tightening your line mid corner.

Also how do we know he didn't use the rear brake at all?
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Yes and you can use your rear brake for a lot of other things besides panic stops, such as tightening your line mid corner.

Also how do we know he didn't use the rear brake at all?
Cuz the rear tire left the ground .0003 seconds after he hit the brakes.
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Cuz the rear tire left the ground .0003 seconds after he hit the brakes.
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Cuz the rear tire left the ground .0003 seconds after he hit the brakes.
NOT true, it's clear from the fork compression that he was already on the brakes before he came into the frame. He ran out of forks, but needed more deceleration so he squeezes more and more until over he goes. Now SHE appears to just grab a handful and pray, but no way you can blame her, under the circumstances.


Street bikes roll through grass.... smh.... urban legends! I guess next you'll tell us dirt bikes can run on pavement. Get the heck outta here....
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NOT true, it's clear from the fork compression that he was already on the brakes before he came into the frame. He ran out of forks, but needed more deceleration so he squeezes more and more until over he goes. Now SHE appears to just grab a handful and pray, but no way you can blame her, under the circumstances.


Street bikes roll through grass.... smh.... urban legends! I guess next you'll tell us dirt bikes can run on pavement. Get the heck outta here....
It was only a joke. The point was once the rear left the ground he wasn't using rear brakes anymore. It was a panic situation. Apparently he didn't notice the bike in front slowing until it was nearly tool late.
Most of us probably would have done no better "in the moment". Easy to say what he should have done after the fact.
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