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Old 08-29-2014, 03:46 PM   #1
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How long is your MSF certificate valid?

My wife took the MSF class with me back in Aug '07 but decided she had no interest in getting a bike of her own and never followed through on getting her 'M' endorsement.

Now that we've got a sidecar rig and our oldest kid just started kindergarten, she's decided she wants to be the cool mom and take him to school on the motorcycle, and wants me to teach her. She apparently didn't realize that she still needs an 'M' endorsement to pilot a sidecar rig. Since she passed the MSF class, is her certificate still valid to get her license, or will she have to retake the class?
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Old 08-29-2014, 03:51 PM   #2
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Yeah, valid for 1 year.




Edit: well this was in virginia maybe tx is different. Hopefully someone will back it up
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My wife went through the same thing and waited several years, and DPS told her they dont expire as long as you have your certificate, she was told differently even by the msf instructor, but took her very old certificate down and got her liscense no problem at all and I know it was at least 5 years old
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If it isn't you can just take your bike down and have her test on it for free at the DPS. That is what I did, in 2001.
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Duc is correct. The certificate doesn't have an expiration date for getting her license as long as she still has it, HOWEVER, if she's lost the certificate, the schools only replace them for 3 years.
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If it isn't you can just take your bike down and have her test on it for free at the DPS. That is what I did, in 2001.
Law changed in 2009, that is no longer an option.
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My wife took the MSF class with me back in Aug '07 but decided she had no interest in getting a bike of her own and never followed through on getting her 'M' endorsement.

Now that we've got a sidecar rig and our oldest kid just started kindergarten, she's decided she wants to be the cool mom and take him to school on the motorcycle, and wants me to teach her. She apparently didn't realize that she still needs an 'M' endorsement to pilot a sidecar rig. Since she passed the MSF class, is her certificate still valid to get her license, or will she have to retake the class?

I don't know the answer but I gotta say you got the coolest wife and your kid has one cool mom.
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TX is awesome lol so much more laid back than va.
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Duc is correct. The certificate doesn't have an expiration date for getting her license as long as she still has it, HOWEVER, if she's lost the certificate, the schools only replace them for 3 years.
Hi. Oh.
The chinese female (with the highlights) who took the class with me was adamant her certificate said 2 yrs as the expiration date. She never went to the dps to get her M and all those months I was harassing her but she said she had time. Then time was up and we were bummed.

With it never expiring, I guess she still has time. Thanks, ill tell her the good news.
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Prob should retake the class
I don't really care about the MSF as much as having her take a sidecar-specific riding class if she really wants to ride it. Other than basic motorcycle controls and traffic laws (neither of which are forgotten) there's not much that really applies across. Understanding braking dynamics (or throttle dynamics for that matter), how the bike will react in turns, or basically anything once the bike starts moving is all completely different.

I guess we'll see if we can find her certificate and just go from there. Either way, retaking MSF wouldn't be the worst thing.
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sorry, yeah, I was thinking the BRC. Either way, the closest one I've found is up in the Dallas area. I know there are quite a few hack riders in the area though, so I'm going to keep asking around, maybe someone knows someone who would be willing to do a course, or maybe I could find enough interest locally to convince one of the local schools to do it.
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That is pathetic, doesn't hurt me though so whatever.
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sorry, yeah, I was thinking the BRC. Either way, the closest one I've found is up in the Dallas area. I know there are quite a few hack riders in the area though, so I'm going to keep asking around, maybe someone knows someone who would be willing to do a course, or maybe I could find enough interest locally to convince one of the local schools to do it.
I think the closest is up in Lufkin last I heard. There used to be an instructor here locally but that was a number of years ago. Let me check with one of the sponsors and I'll get back to you.
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I think MRH is who I checked with previously, as they hold trike-specific training. At the time they didn't cover sidecar, as the operating dynamics are different from that of a symmetric trike.
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I think MRH is who I checked with previously, as they hold trike-specific training. At the time they didn't cover sidecar, as the operating dynamics are different from that of a symmetric trike.
You are correct, there is a difference in handling characteristics between a 2 track and 3 track vehicle. I own a hack also and instruct the 3 wheel basic. We are not allowed to have a 2 track vehicles in the 3WBRC because handling is dissimilar.

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