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Old 08-27-2014, 08:32 PM   #161
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Can you give an example with your bike as to what you are looking for? I'd like to know how a 1996 Triumph Speed Triple performs in each test with video backup proving the results.
I'm not looking for data for myself. I've done enough riding and studying to know which size bike I want, and what to expect, but I couldn't quantify it concisely and definitively to someone who HASN'T got said experience/studying done.

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you seem like you have a lot of riding experience, a lot of these motohoustoners dont know much about bikes. youre going to have to set up this testing on your own im afraid. i understand your frustration bro
If you're being serious: yeah, kinda what I've noticed. If you are trolling:

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The general forum consensus seems to be rather contradictory to the above statement, and it actually seems to most casual observers, that it is indeed your posts that are rather depressing. I used absolutely no science in drawing that conclusion, but rather, a keen insight and first hand knowledge based on several years volunteer time with special needs adults. Shall I throw in a little science to prove my point, such as possibly...a poll?
General consensus doesn't count for , lol. An objective look at the US political sphere will tell you all you need to know about general consensus.

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I see what is going on here, and op might be book smart, but lacks real world experience. I am dealing with someone like this at work, a new hire that has no experience, but wants answers to questions outside the scope of experience that would likely be gained over time. Op, your questions are not uncommon, though juvenile, they have been asked before. If you are trying to create a formula for those new to the forum, it will never work, and people basing thier future purchases off said formula could prove to be fatal if the end goal is "which is faster", a mindset not uncommon amongst new riders.
I have experience with the bikes in question, but I couldn't quantify it to someone who doesn't. That is the root cause of looking for this information. Which questions are juvenile, etc?
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Old 08-27-2014, 08:37 PM   #162
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I'm not looking for data for myself. I've done enough riding and studying to know which size bike I want, and what to expect, but I couldn't quantify it concisely and definitively to someone who HASN'T got said experience/studying done.
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I'm not looking for data for myself. I've done enough riding and studying to know which size bike I want, and what to expect, but I couldn't quantify it concisely and definitively to someone who HASN'T got said experience/studying done.
Who said it was for you? So the experiments we perform need to be for our own benefit? I thought you were the one asking for help here?
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I'm not looking for data for myself. I've done enough riding and studying to know which size bike I want, and what to expect, but I couldn't quantify it concisely and definitively to someone who HASN'T got said experience/studying done.
If you understood the data at hand as well as you state, you'd have no problem explaining said data in layman's terms to anyone that was willing to listen. If you can't quantify it "concisely and definitively" to someone that is willing to listen to your rambling nonsense, you don't truly understand the material at hand. You genuinely seem intelligent on the surface, based on some of the posts that I've read, but you seem incredibly stubborn and argumentative at the same time. I hope you find the missing data you're looking for, but i can almost guarantee you. . .you aren't going to find it in this thread or in this forum using the thought processes you've continually applied up until now. At some point you're going to have to face the notion that the collective knowledge of the experienced members of this forum likely far exceeds your own. Until then, you're on your own.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:28 PM   #168
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..Not that my bike is one you're looking at, but my Brake's are (at least according to my buddy) As good as the ones on his Tuono, granted they're both Brembo so..

Speed isn't my bikes big..THING so, won't even get into that, at least not compared to anything water-cooled.
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Who said it was for you? So the experiments we perform need to be for our own benefit? I thought you were the one asking for help here?
I totally misread what you said, my bad. Thought you asked what I was looking for in a bike.

Here's an ok example. His gauges are hard to read at best and isn't revving before he starts, but shows how simple of a setup you can use.


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If you understood the data at hand as well as you state, you'd have no problem explaining said data in layman's terms to anyone that was willing to listen. If you can't quantify it "concisely and definitively" to someone that is willing to listen to your rambling nonsense, you don't truly understand the material at hand. You genuinely seem intelligent on the surface, based on some of the posts that I've read, but you seem incredibly stubborn and argumentative at the same time. I hope you find the missing data you're looking for, but i can almost guarantee you. . .you aren't going to find it in this thread or in this forum using the thought processes you've continually applied up until now. At some point you're going to have to face the notion that the collective knowledge of the experienced members of this forum likely far exceeds your own. Until then, you're on your own.
The general consensus is a confused mess. Type "1000 vs 600" and you'll find 'experienced riders' telling you anything from a 1000 will pull your arms off if you give the throttle the slightest twist, while others will say it isn't much different than riding a 250. Something that is continually missing from the discussion is basic numbers.

I am stubborn and argumentative, yes. Also, it is possible to have personal understanding of something without having a good way to express it.

The data was already posted here.

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Old 08-27-2014, 10:35 PM   #170
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A lot of us have ridden without electric aids and done just fine. In fact electric aids in performance machines tend to be less desireable because they can mask what the bike is trying to tell the rider. Same goes for most cars. Electric aids kill feedback.
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Finally someone who feels the same way hahaha

I believe Mr. Spies would agree as well.
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Not too call anyone out, but I got to page 6 of 9 and realized what a bunch of we have on this forum lately.

If you are nervous / scared / too goody goody / license risking averse / whatever to run a supersport on a public highway from 0 - 60 , 60 - 120 , or 120 to zero, get the eff out of this thread and leave the OP alone. Go vote for Obama and no term limits, put a gov't webcam in your bedroom, require tolltags to track your every vehicular movement, and while you're at call the Isle of Mann and Pikes Peak to tell them someone might die next year so they better stop.

Otherwise, do it in a safe way, with sane noise pollution, with a buddy, and a cell phone, full gear, in good conditions, on well maintained bikes. I recommend SDRC. Post up a vid. i wanna see how much faster a S1000rr is than a R6 in the real world.
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To staysa01, come over to the BRAWP-Shop with your Triumph. We can get a go-pro and pull on the local unused country road, and run my CRF230, then WRX250, then Ninja 250, then race 250, then CBR500, then R6, then other R6, then supersport spec race fuel R6, then stock GSXR6, then race GSXR600, then street CBR1000, then race CBR1000, then the Vmax, then 1198, and we'll get crazy Kris to bring his 2013 MV F4 and pikes peak Brutale 800 and post up what we find. It might be fun and insightful.
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The OP wants to be able to tell someone else how much faster one bike vs another if I understand him correctly. My issues with the whole premise of his question are:

A: Said data has been collected on bikes at race tracks ridden by semi professional riders in standard repeatable manner. Google it and do the math.
B: Everyone's sense of speed is different so its not possible to communicate how much faster one is over the other, the stop watch will only tell you the deltas in elapsed time, not how fast it felt to the rider.
C: Different bikes can cover the same distance in the exact same time and because of ergos, engine configuration, firing order, exhaust tone and volume, vibration and wheelbase combinations, deliver very different sensations of speed.

How much faster is a 1000 than a 600? The correct answer is "it depends".
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To staysa01, come over to the BRAWP-Shop with your Triumph. We can get a go-pro and pull on the local unused country road, and run my CRF230, then WRX250, then Ninja 250, then race 250, then CBR500, then R6, then other R6, then supersport spec race fuel R6, then stock GSXR6, then race GSXR600, then street CBR1000, then race CBR1000, then the Vmax, then 1198, and we'll get crazy Kris to bring his 2013 MV F4 and pikes peak Brutale 800 and post up what we find. It might be fun and insightful.
Sure. A chin mounted go pro would probably work for most bikes to read the dials, or if you've got some fancy data logging equipment, mucho bueno!

I've got a sony action came mounted on my helmet, which takes awesome shots of the scenery, but you can't see the dials unless you look down at your belly button :(
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Not too call anyone out, but I got to page 6 of 9 and realized what a bunch of we have on this forum lately.

If you are nervous / scared / too goody goody / license risking averse / whatever to run a supersport on a public highway from 0 - 60 , 60 - 120 , or 120 to zero, get the eff out of this thread and leave the OP alone. Go vote for Obama and no term limits, put a gov't webcam in your bedroom, require tolltags to track your every vehicular movement, and while you're at call the Isle of Mann and Pikes Peak to tell them someone might die next year so they better stop.
This, a million times THIS!
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Maybe one day you'll come up with an argument that isn't a snide straw man comment.






As a reply to one of your posts? Doubtful
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If you understood the data at hand as well as you state, you'd have no problem explaining said data in layman's terms to anyone that was willing to listen.
That's the problem, no one's willing to listen
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Also, it is possible to have personal understanding of something without having a good way to express it.
I find that hard to believe. You're owning the internet like a Bauce
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