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Old 08-27-2014, 06:18 PM   #141
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I asked you no question, for you to ask if I want clarification is,... Well,.. Potato. I simply stated that your "question" is unreasonable since you are trying to take rider and skill level out of that equation. You have your hard data from the mag reviews, track times, etc. now if I'm to include what I've experienced on my bike. I've outrun a Ferrari 360 Modena, Aston Martin vanquish, dodge viper, Porsche 911 turbo, amongst other highly modified lower end cars (all on a closed runway amongst friends) I can only imagine newer bikes being a bit better than mine. I have a stage 1 jet, intake, and bolt on can only. Have travelled from Horseshoe Bay Resort to North Austin (35 and some road near cedar park) in less than 30 minutes. Never doing that again! You won't find the data you are looking for though, you are being to specific for something containing so many variables.
1) a statement made after observing something isn't a question, but the statement conveyed confusion, which is why I asked if you wanted clarification.

2) The data is on the top of page 5 or 6, I forget which. Mr.P posted it.

So... about that potato...
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:22 PM   #142
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Generalities, kid. Your edge cases don't disprove them. For the general populous, folding yourself in half, and perching your on a 1/4" of foam for any length of time is uncomfortable.
As a generality, probably right. Just like how the data I wanted is generally useless, but that doesn't make it fully useless.

If you're going to wave around "I'm a scientist," you ought to at least be somewhat precise in what you say.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:33 PM   #143
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It isn't that track data is invalid because it is track data, it is just OFTEN invalid because the conditions are usually hidden, or vastly different from a stock setup on the street. How different? I'm not sure. It would be nice to test, but I'd need the stock data, still. So in the end, it is either invalid because it is too different, or it is invalid because I don't know how much it varies from what I'm after: street data.

The videos I was seeing also rarely had the rpm and mph clearly visible, so I couldn't tell if the bike was really being used. I've watched a guy on an HP4 get passed by a GSX-R 600... on a straight... lolwat? Thankfully I could see the RPM, so it was easily apparent that the guy on the HP4 was a total newb or wasn't trying.

So... you could probably analyze some track footage to see things like 60-120 times, but it'd be obnoxious at best, and futile at worst. You might have better luck doing it, cause I personally found it unworkable. The really useless track data (for this comparison) was lap times.
So basically you saying there are to many variable in track riding to use it as an accurate comparison. Valid point!

However per your proposal rider skill and experience, condition of bikes suspension, tires, and braking system, along with road conditions, year/make/model of bike are all acceptable variables to which you are willing to rule out as having no significant effect?

As a "scientist" you can't just pick and choose the variables you wish to consider when comparing your data.
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What about a modern 600 vs a 1980s 1000?
What about a carb'd 600 at sea level vs a carb'd 1000 on pikes peak?

All irrealavent?
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So basically you saying there are to many variable in track riding to use it as an accurate comparison. Valid point!

However per your proposal rider skill and experience, condition of bikes suspension, tires, and braking system, along with road conditions, year/make/model of bike are all acceptable variables to which you are willing to rule out as having no significant effect?
If those variables are known, they can then be discard/controlled for, circumstances depending, to a greater or lesser degree.

If the data came out to showing no clear difference, than I would say you have a valid point here, but people are making conclusions based on data that hadn't been compiled yet.

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As a "scientist" you can't just pick and choose the variables you wish to consider when comparing your data.
I'm not, nor do I claim to be, a scientist, but otherwise agree.
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What about a modern 600 vs a 1980s 1000?
What about a carb'd 600 at sea level vs a carb'd 1000 on pikes peak?

All irrealavent?
It would be relevant to anyone wanting a comparison between modern 600s and a 1980s 1000, or carb'd 600 at sea level and a carb'd 1000 on pikes peak.
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The you were asking about performance between a 600 and a 1000. Those are 600s and 1000s...although they would both be relativly even on performance in those circumstances.
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The OP needs your help in deciding what bike he should buy. He's looking to jump from a 1996 Speed Triple to a 2015 S1000RR but is afraid he lacks the skill to ride it
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But do they off the other bits like tc? As it stands, I'm leaning towards the 2015 s1000rr over the CBR :0
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Even with the super amazingly maintained roads we have here in Houston, which never have oil patches, dirt, or anything else on them, I still think I'd like TC on a 160+HP bike
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The OP needs your help in deciding what bike he should buy. He's looking to jump from a 1996 Speed Triple to a 2015 S1000RR but is afraid he lacks the skill to ride it
Same response as before to your idiocy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Wanting electronic aids =/= needing them, nor is it saying, or particularly implying, I'm afraid of a lack of skill. I've put a good amount of miles on an 04 GSX-R, 09 ZX6, and an 04 RSV1000.

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Same response as before to your idiocy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Wanting electronic aids =/= needing them, nor is it saying, or particularly implying, I'm afraid of a lack of skill. I've put a good amount of miles on an 04 GSX-R, 09 ZX6, and an 04 RSV1000.
Then obviously you don't need any advice from any of us
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Then obviously you don't need any advice from any of us
I try to avoid advice from people that spew non-sequiturs constantly; like you, for instance. That isn't everyone on here, but there are a depressing amount.
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A lot of us have ridden without electric aids and done just fine. In fact electric aids in performance machines tend to be less desireable because they can mask what the bike is trying to tell the rider. Same goes for most cars. Electric aids kill feedback.
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I try to avoid advice from people that spew non-sequiturs constantly; like you, for instance. That isn't everyone on here, but there are a depressing amount.

The general forum consensus seems to be rather contradictory to the above statement, and it actually seems to most casual observers, that it is indeed your posts that are rather depressing. I used absolutely no science in drawing that conclusion, but rather, a keen insight and first hand knowledge based on several years volunteer time with special needs adults. Shall I throw in a little science to prove my point, such as possibly...a poll?
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I see what is going on here, and op might be book smart, but lacks real world experience. I am dealing with someone like this at work, a new hire that has no experience, but wants answers to questions outside the scope of experience that would likely be gained over time. Op, your questions are not uncommon, though juvenile, they have been asked before. If you are trying to create a formula for those new to the forum, it will never work, and people basing thier future purchases off said formula could prove to be fatal if the end goal is "which is faster", a mindset not uncommon amongst new riders.
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The general forum consensus seems to be rather contradictory to the above statement, and it actually seems to most casual observers, that it is indeed your posts that are rather depressing. I used absolutely no science in drawing that conclusion, but rather, a keen insight and first hand knowledge based on several years volunteer time with special needs adults. Shall I throw in a little science to prove my point, such as possibly...a poll?
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Can you give an example with your bike as to what you are looking for? I'd like to know how a 1996 Triumph Speed Triple performs in each test with video backup proving the results.
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Same response as before to your idiocy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Wanting electronic aids =/= needing them, nor is it saying, or particularly implying, I'm afraid of a lack of skill. I've put a good amount of miles on an 04 GSX-R, 09 ZX6, and an 04 RSV1000.
you seem like you have a lot of riding experience, a lot of these motohoustoners dont know much about bikes. youre going to have to set up this testing on your own im afraid. i understand your frustration bro
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I try to avoid advice from people that spew non-sequiturs constantly; like you, for instance. That isn't everyone on here, but there are a depressing amount.
I hope you ride better than you post. I doubt I'll ever know
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