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Old 08-26-2014, 09:27 AM   #41
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too many variables and too hard to test. There is a reason you cant find this data. There are standards and there is a reason for that. Standards can be tested and be repeated.
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Old 08-26-2014, 09:45 AM   #43
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I got tired of the multitudes of opinions on different bikes, so I'm trying to put together some times for a bike comparison. Just how much faster/slower are all these different bikes, hmm?

I started with gathering data on s1000rr vs 636, but any 600/1000 supersport data would be handy, so if you've got the data, please share. While a lot of this data is already out there, the problem is when people don't include what performance upgrades they've done, road conditions, etc, making the resulting data look very weird.

0-60 and quarter mile times are pretty easy to get, so I don't need those. You can share if you like though.

The times (and distance traveled, if possible) I'd like to get:

0-100mph
60-120mph
0-100-0mph
120-60mph
standing mile (not quarter mile)

So if you've got any of that for your bike, please share, and include any performance mods you did. I'd really like to get all this data on stock bikes, but not too sure how possible that is.

If there are any metrics you think I should add, let me know.

Thanks :O

So basically you want a controlled experiment in which the riders ride multiple bikes over the same course at 10/10 of both rider and capabilities with some sort of effective timing and distance measurement. What a Great, original and novel idea! I think I'll hire a few semi professional riders capable of repeating their performance regardless of bikes and set up, who can also write their thoughts on the experiment down. We can even run all the bikes on the same dyno and keep records every year. We can sell the results to interested parties on a subscription basis, and I can sell advertising to OEM's and aftermarket companies who want to reach those interested parties to help pay for the test and rider salaries, expenses and insurance. We can call them "Shootouts" or no, no, I've got it, we'll call it the "Master Bike Competition". We'll make Hundreds of $$$ Boohoohooohahahaha!!!!

What???? What's that you say???? itís already been done???


If you want the on various you don't ask random guys to send you their best big fish stories. In my day all you had to do was but now you can just to get all the information you need. Now go Google your answers to your questions and leave a prestigious forum like this and the great minds in it to ponder and answer much more important things like... can you guys settle once and for all, what's the best brand of oil?
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I'll give that response a 8.8 on a scale of 11 (Spinal Tap scale applied here).
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Nice flip flops you have in your avatar, That's how I ride too bro. Dont let em hate
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So basically you want a controlled experiment in which the riders ride multiple bikes over the same course at 10/10 of both rider and capabilities with some sort of effective timing and distance measurement. What a Great, original and novel idea! I think I'll hire a few semi professional riders capable of repeating their performance regardless of bikes and set up, who can also write their thoughts on the experiment down. We can even run all the bikes on the same dyno and keep records every year. We can sell the results to interested parties on a subscription basis, and I can sell advertising to OEM's and aftermarket companies who want to reach those interested parties to help pay for the test and rider salaries, expenses and insurance. We can call them "Shootouts" or no, no, I've got it, we'll call it the "Master Bike Competition". We'll make Hundreds of $$$ Boohoohooohahahaha!!!!

What???? What's that you say???? itís already been done???


If you want the on various you don't ask random guys to send you their best big fish stories. In my day all you had to do was but now you can just to get all the information you need. Now go Google your answers to your questions and leave a prestigious forum like this and the great minds in it to ponder and answer much more important things like... can you guys settle once and for all, what's the best brand of oil?
Great response Classax!
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when it rains later ill go do some testing !!!!
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I see our resident rocket scientist is back in the propulsion lab again...and he's cooking up some SUPAPOWER!!!


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So basically you want a controlled experiment in which the riders ride multiple bikes over the same course at 10/10 of both rider and capabilities with some sort of effective timing and distance measurement. What a Great, original and novel idea! I think I'll hire a few semi professional riders capable of repeating their performance regardless of bikes and set up, who can also write their thoughts on the experiment down. We can even run all the bikes on the same dyno and keep records every year. We can sell the results to interested parties on a subscription basis, and I can sell advertising to OEM's and aftermarket companies who want to reach those interested parties to help pay for the test and rider salaries, expenses and insurance. We can call them "Shootouts" or no, no, I've got it, we'll call it the "Master Bike Competition". We'll make Hundreds of $$$ Boohoohooohahahaha!!!!

What???? What's that you say???? itís already been done???


If you want the on various you don't ask random guys to send you their best big fish stories. In my day all you had to do was but now you can just to get all the information you need. Now go Google your answers to your questions and leave a prestigious forum like this and the great minds in it to ponder and answer much more important things like... can you guys settle once and for all, what's the best brand of oil?
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So basically you want a controlled experiment in which the riders ride multiple bikes over the same course at 10/10 of both rider and capabilities with some sort of effective timing and distance measurement. What a Great, original and novel idea! I think I'll hire a few semi professional riders capable of repeating their performance regardless of bikes and set up, who can also write their thoughts on the experiment down. We can even run all the bikes on the same dyno and keep records every year. We can sell the results to interested parties on a subscription basis, and I can sell advertising to OEM's and aftermarket companies who want to reach those interested parties to help pay for the test and rider salaries, expenses and insurance. We can call them "Shootouts" or no, no, I've got it, we'll call it the "Master Bike Competition". We'll make Hundreds of $$$ Boohoohooohahahaha!!!!

What???? What's that you say???? itís already been done???


If you want the on various you don't ask random guys to send you their best big fish stories. In my day all you had to do was but now you can just to get all the information you need. Now go Google your answers to your questions and leave a prestigious forum like this and the great minds in it to ponder and answer much more important things like... can you guys settle once and for all, what's the best brand of oil?
That's all fine and good, but the OP is looking for stats in flip-flops, smarty pants
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That's all fine and good, but the OP is looking for stats in flip-flops, smarty pants
I really hope youre not trying to make fun of his flip flops. If so, I'll see you at the next ridee with craigrr and we're gunns have some problems
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I'll concur that the OP's way of requesting hard data is a bit over the top and will provide results as widely varying in accuracy as the proverbial 225 MPH on my cousin's Busa homeless guy at the gas station.

It's not that hard to look at HP and torque and tell, theoretically, how bikes should behave.

On track performance, in terms of lap times, irrelevent.

But if the real comparison is R6 vs GSXR600, look to the dyno, cause weight and aero drag, and gearing are all essentially equal. In terms of ft lbs of lever torque to the rear wheel, which is what creates accelleration, the bikes are essentially tied from the factory. 108 - 110 HP is kinda a reasonable range for a great running stocker. Add a pipe and commander, tune it, get 3-4 HP. Full race it, like Tony's R6 on race gas, get 126HP. But, a 10% decrease in gearing is good for a 10% increase in HP (give or take factoring out rotational acceleration of mass in the motor and chain). So drop 2 out of 20 teeth on the front sprocket, accelerate 10% harder in each gear, hit redline 10% earlier in MPH in each gear.

Want a fast 600, get a Kawi 636 with 116 HP, give or take, from the factory. Trick it out, but keep it on pump gas, maybe 125HP and 100,000 mile reliability. With stock gearing it will keep up with a -1 + 2 geared R6 or GSXR600 with pipe, comander, mods, etc...

Want to go really fast on a 600 in straight line....get a 1000. "At the track" on my CBR1000 or 1198 I can gas it on a straight and effortlessly walk away from a 600, any 600. Of course, if they carry more corner speed, I have catch up to them, but it isn't usually a problem to be chilling, get buzzed by a 600, and catch em by the end of a straight.

Raw test numbers don't really matter when you have 50 vs 75 ft lb of torque, or 190 vs 125 HP. Sure, in a drag race the 600 will do almost as good. But in 3rd gear, exiting a nice forest bend, crack the 600 open at 8000 rpm and be prepared to be...,,,,bored. Hit the 1000 in 3rd at 6000 rpm and hold the on and you fight off a power wheelie.

Forget the numbers on paper. Look at rear wheel torque (not engine ft lbs of torque), once you understand what that is, across a broad spectrum of gearing and rpm's, and you'll see just how much room under the graph there is on a 1000 vs a 600. It's HUGE. Gear your 1000 to top out at the same top speed as a 600 (160 mph?) and the difference will b that the 600 is lively, and the 1000 is unrideable.

Then get on something like a MV Agusta 1000 with stock gearing to go 190 and holy batman scare the out of yourself by unintentionally lifting the front wheel at 120 in 4th gear.

Your numbers approach ignores the passion, the heart, the feel, and the suddenness you feel the differences bike to bike.

Let the bike mags, unbiased, test these numbers under controlled conditions. Let them adjust to sea level, 77 degrees, 40% relative humidity, on consistent quality fuel, with professional timing equipment. The numbers don't lie.

They will say the same thing....modern 1000's are fast as . 600's are fast, for just being 600's.
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Wow. So this is why I was warned not to post in Motohouston. You people are either illiterate, retarded, or both. Literally every criticism was answered, and a simple but full explanation for the purpose behind this was given, but you're still going off on retarded tangents.

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Wow. So this is why I was warned not to post in Motohouston. You people are either illiterate, retarded, or both. Literally every criticism was answered, and a simple but full explanation for the purpose behind this was given, but you're still going off on retarded tangents.

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Wow. So this is why I was warned not to post in Motohouston. You people are either illiterate, retarded, or both. Literally every criticism was answered, and a simple but full explanation for the purpose behind this was given, but you're still going off on retarded tangents.

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I was never answered if you wanted us to actually go 120 mph on public roads and stare at a stop watch while doing it?
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I was never answered if you wanted us to actually go 120 mph on public roads and stare at a stop watch while doing it?
You could stick a gopro on your tank so mph/rpm is visible, then do a few runs anywhere with regular conditions/tires, if you wanted to help, for example.
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