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Old 08-25-2014, 10:21 PM   #21
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Okay... people seem to be having a hard time following this rather simple thing. This is a very basic analysis to have an easy to use resource for the difference between bikes.

Lap times have MANY MANY variables. One track might favor 1000s, while another might favor 250s - don't care. One track might require a lot of braking, while another is more about constantly flicking the bike - don't care. A professional 250 racer might go faster than an amateur on an R1 - don't care.

This is not about rider skill.
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Old 08-25-2014, 10:51 PM   #24
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Okay... people seem to be having a hard time following this rather simple thing. This is a very basic analysis to have an easy to use resource for the difference between bikes.

Lap times have MANY MANY variables. One track might favor 1000s, while another might favor 250s - don't care. One track might require a lot of braking, while another is more about constantly flicking the bike - don't care. A professional 250 racer might go faster than an amateur on an R1 - don't care.

This is not about rider skill.
all the fastest lap times are on 1000's though. they dont go faster on a 250 or 600

when you bring up "MANY MANY variables" well i'll bring up that there are "MANY MANY variables" as well in straight line braking, acceleration or any of that. especially when you could be comparing data from a expert racer stopping from 100mph to 0mph vs a guy who just barely passed the msf course braking from 100mph to 0mph.

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So who exactly is piloting the bike for the times you are requesting?
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You are leaving out a major factor...the rider.

I know riders on "slower" bikes that routinely leave behind "faster, newer, better" bikes. Especially on the street.

Carry on, I'll grab some popcorn...and Scotch.
My thoughts exactly.

To OP. Take into consideration all the "data' you get from magazines are from professional riders which has no comparison to most of the riders on here.

Second as stated above I believe Wagnon beat the record this weekend on a gsxr 750 and a zx-10 and I was told clealand ran like a tenth off the record on his r6. The capabilities of these bike with a good rider are very very close. To close for a average rider on the street to make a considerable difference IMO.

Finally how can someone gather all that data without either telemetry or a closed road with cones and a buddy standing there with a stopwatch?

Your best results would most likely come from a bike with suspension in good condition that is set up for your weight and ability. Also including brakes and tires in good condition and a bike you feel comfortable on.
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all the fastest lap times are on 1000's though. they dont go faster on a 250 or 600

when you bring up "MANY MANY variables" well i'll bring up that there are "MANY MANY variables" as well in straight line braking, acceleration or any of that. especially when you could be comparing data from a expert racer stopping from 100mph to 0mph vs a guy who just barely passed the msf course braking from 100mph to 0mph.
Yes, and an important part of going from the data collection stage to the final presentation stage is filtering these sorts of variables. Which do you think would be easier for more people to do close to their bikes limit: go 60-120, or race around a track? :/

Also, the comparison was more towards the two classes - 600 and 1000 - rather than gsxr 600 vs r6.
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Yes, and an important part of going from the data collection stage to the final presentation stage is filtering these sorts of variables. Which do you think would be easier for more people to do close to their bikes limit: go 60-120, or race around a track? :/
Also, the comparison was more towards the two classes - 600 and 1000 - rather than gsxr 600 vs r6.


600s and 1000s will brake the exact same, 1000s will go more faster. Too bad there aren't local club races on all these bikes with people who can ride them near their limits. If so you could look at that to get a rough idea on performance.
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Yes, and an important part of going from the data collection stage to the final presentation stage is filtering these sorts of variables. Which do you think would be easier for more people to do close to their bikes limit: go 60-120, or race around a track? :/

Also, the comparison was more towards the two classes - 600 and 1000 - rather than gsxr 600 vs r6.
lets see how this thread goes and lets wait for some more responses.
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Yes, and an important part of going from the data collection stage to the final presentation stage is filtering these sorts of variables. Which do you think would be easier for more people to do close to their bikes limit: go 60-120, or race around a track? :/

Also, the comparison was more towards the two classes - 600 and 1000 - rather than gsxr 600 vs r6.
Wow. This guy reminds me of science class in middle school. Variables, equations, data collection, etc.. This is the weirdest thread ever OP.
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:26 AM   #32
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To many variables....

I suggest you go buy one of these: http://www.vboxmotorsport.co.uk/inde...ers/vbox-sport

And then either buy or test ride every bike you have in mind and collect your own data.

Results will be to far out of whack if the same person, rider, weight, etc. isn't doing ALL of the testing!
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Tried to compare against a 08 CBR1000, but he never came back after the first 80 to 100 run. No data.
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That's great. Truly, no sarcasm, it actually is great,

(but it doesn't particularly help, nor is it terribly relevant) :/
Kinda like this whole thread.
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Any supersport from 2000 or newer(r6,r1, s1000rr, gsxr, ect..) will brake beyond the limits of street traction, and all 600s and 1ks are close enough in acceleration that it doesn't matter on the street until way past 100
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This is not about rider skill.
You got that right
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Here are some figures I've found to suggest otherwise...
That Ape probably has ABS brakes. You should get a bike with ABS
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That Ape probably has ABS brakes. You should get a bike with ABS
Can't you see? He's suggesting otherwise...

Let the man preach damnit.
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