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Old 08-28-2014, 06:51 AM   #181
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2014 GROM VS 2010 CRF50

Despite the weight advantage of my 10 year old, I did surprisingly well.

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15 to 0 Grom, I kicked him and made him lose focus, payback for cheating me.

I think the CRF would get better MPG on a low speed adventure ride.

Wheelie riding - CRF, the little got his whoolie gene from the mail man or something.

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Sure. A chin mounted go pro would probably work for most bikes to read the dials, or if you've got some fancy data logging equipment, mucho bueno!
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2014 GROM VS 2010 CRF50

Despite the weight advantage of my 10 year old, I did surprisingly well.

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Not too call anyone out, but I got to page 6 of 9 and realized what a bunch of we have on this forum lately.

If you are nervous / scared / too goody goody / license risking averse / whatever to run a supersport on a public highway from 0 - 60 , 60 - 120 , or 120 to zero, get the eff out of this thread and leave the OP alone. Go vote for Obama and no term limits, put a gov't webcam in your bedroom, require tolltags to track your every vehicular movement, and while you're at call the Isle of Mann and Pikes Peak to tell them someone might die next year so they better stop.

Otherwise, do it in a safe way, with sane noise pollution, with a buddy, and a cell phone, full gear, in good conditions, on well maintained bikes. I recommend SDRC. Post up a vid. i wanna see how much faster a S1000rr is than a R6 in the real world.
I thought IOMTT and PP were closed course events. I didn't realize the streets were open during those races to provide an accurate comparison to the OP suggestion. I also didn't know that those races were done on stock motorcycles.... because if they were done on race bikes with "mods" they are not acceptable to the OP.

I would like to see the real world comparison of the BMW to the R6.... but in order to know for sure we would need to have someone ride both bikes one right after the other on the same stretch of road on the same tires for a fair comparison. Do we use stock gearing? I know when replacing worn out sprockets it is far beyond the realm of street riding to change the # of teeth... that's strictly for race bikes. I can't believe no one has brought up those variables in this thread yet.

Sadly if we did do all that the R6 would loose everytime for if we took them out to the twisties the BMW electronics would enable it to go far faster on public roads over the R6 no matter who was riding which bike. Especially in a stop and go test.
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I want to see 60 to 0 in head to head ABS vs. Non ABS on water soaked, oil soaked, gravel covered, and sand covered pavement.
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I got tired of the multitudes of opinions on different bikes, so I'm trying to put together some times for a bike comparison. Just how much faster/slower are all these different bikes, hmm?
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If there are any metrics you think I should add, let me know.

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I'm sure this has been asked, and answered, but I am confused as to the purpose of this.

(as has been covered, I'm sure,) Magazines publish lots of times for lots of different bikes in as close to an "even" comparison as is possible. I agree with the assertions of most that any real-world "data" presented here will have too many variables to really be of any use for comparison.

As for what should be added, how about drive-ability? I've heard of lots of great track bikes where people complain about their road manners (R6 comes to mind, as does at least one large Ducati, 1198 maybe).

Unfortunately with something like this, the closest to usable data you'll get are likely magazine comparisons, and your own "seat-of-the-pants" comparisons. I feel like you're asking for data to 3 decimal places with a tolerance of "+/- 5.000".

I don't understand why this has turned into a multi-page bash thread though...
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I don't understand why this has turned into a multi-page bash thread though...
Because the folks that know what they're talking about don't like attitude
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Because the folks that know what they're talking about don't like attitude
sounds like I didn't really miss much by skipping about 6 pages there in the middle then.
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sounds like I didn't really miss much by skipping about 6 pages there in the middle then.
Just some comedy
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Not too call anyone out, but I got to page 6 of 9 and realized what a bunch of we have on this forum lately.

If you are nervous / scared / too goody goody / license risking averse / whatever to run a supersport on a public highway from 0 - 60 , 60 - 120 , or 120 to zero, get the eff out of this thread and leave the OP alone. Go vote for Obama and no term limits, put a gov't webcam in your bedroom, require tolltags to track your every vehicular movement, and while you're at call the Isle of Mann and Pikes Peak to tell them someone might die next year so they better stop.

Otherwise, do it in a safe way, with sane noise pollution, with a buddy, and a cell phone, full gear, in good conditions, on well maintained bikes. I recommend SDRC. Post up a vid. i wanna see how much faster a S1000rr is than a R6 in the real world.
No, you're calling me out. And really dude? This is Houston. There's 3 racetracks within 1.5 hours of city center. Why advocate dipshittery in Houston's constant traffic when its SO INCREDIBLY EASY to do this the right way?


I mean, think about what you're advocating: I live in suburbia, should I be able to shoot my ARs in my backyard? Because those laws are just for goody goodies and too?

no, I should go to a gun range, and they're easy to get to.
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No, you're calling me out. And really dude? This is Houston. There's 3 racetracks within 1.5 hours of city center. Why advocate dipshittery in Houston's constant traffic when its SO INCREDIBLY EASY to do this the right way?


I mean, think about what you're advocating: I live in suburbia, should I be able to shoot my ARs in my backyard? Because those laws are just for goody goodies and too?

no, I should go to a gun range, and they're easy to get to.
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I'm sure this has been asked, and answered, but I am confused as to the purpose of this.

(as has been covered, I'm sure,) Magazines publish lots of times for lots of different bikes in as close to an "even" comparison as is possible. I agree with the assertions of most that any real-world "data" presented here will have too many variables to really be of any use for comparison.

As for what should be added, how about drive-ability? I've heard of lots of great track bikes where people complain about their road manners (R6 comes to mind, as does at least one large Ducati, 1198 maybe).

Unfortunately with something like this, the closest to usable data you'll get are likely magazine comparisons, and your own "seat-of-the-pants" comparisons. I feel like you're asking for data to 3 decimal places with a tolerance of "+/- 5.000".

I don't understand why this has turned into a multi-page bash thread though...

The data was to get a real world difference between 600s and 1000s. It is incredibly sought after information, and the answers readily available to me and many others were useless.

I have no idea why this became a bash thread, but I can tell you hardly anyone bothered to understand the request before they gave their opinion, so many straw men lost their lives here.
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Wow. I can't decide if I just read through 10 pages of entertainment or if I wasted my time. OP...who cares? Do you have a real reason for wanting this information, or are you just Johnny 5?
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Wow. I can't decide if I just read through 10 pages of entertainment or if I wasted my time. OP...who cares? Do you have a real reason for wanting this information, or are you just Johnny 5?
Combination of curiosity and I run into the comparison a lot, so I'd like to be able to give some concise and definitive data. I have no idea why this blew up; I figured it would be over in a few replies, or go unnoticed because no one had the data... figured it was worth a shot to ask for it.
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www.motorcyclespecs.co.za

There ya go, for a start. Most bikes listed show HP, torque, RPM for max hp/tq, weight, standing 1/4 mile and fuel consumption.

I can tell you that my 600#, 90rwhp dirt bike will take a 600cc SS up to 85. From there to 100, it's a race.

I read an article (that I can no longer find) about a guy that took a few bikes (all old) to an exotic car shootout. 0-100-0, GPS monitored. Slowest, heaviest bike he had was Goldwing. It beat every exotic to 100, and all but one back to zero.
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There ya go, for a start. Most bikes listed show HP, torque, RPM for max hp/tq, weight, standing 1/4 mile and fuel consumption.

I can tell you that my 600#, 90rwhp dirt bike will take a 600cc SS up to 85. From there to 100, it's a race.

I read an article (that I can no longer find) about a guy that took a few bikes (all old) to an exotic car shootout. 0-100-0, GPS monitored. Slowest, heaviest bike he had was Goldwing. It beat every exotic to 100, and all but one back to zero.
Whats funny is the original post was answered back on page 5 by Mr.P.
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Whats funny is the original post was answered back on page 5 by Mr.P.
I bet your OP didn't factor in V-twins.
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