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Old 08-25-2014, 07:59 PM   #1
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Acceleration/braking times of YOUR bike

I got tired of the multitudes of opinions on different bikes, so I'm trying to put together some times for a bike comparison. Just how much faster/slower are all these different bikes, hmm?

I started with gathering data on s1000rr vs 636, but any 600/1000 supersport data would be handy, so if you've got the data, please share. While a lot of this data is already out there, the problem is when people don't include what performance upgrades they've done, road conditions, etc, making the resulting data look very weird.

0-60 and quarter mile times are pretty easy to get, so I don't need those. You can share if you like though.

The times (and distance traveled, if possible) I'd like to get:

0-100mph
60-120mph
0-100-0mph
120-60mph
standing mile (not quarter mile)

So if you've got any of that for your bike, please share, and include any performance mods you did. I'd really like to get all this data on stock bikes, but not too sure how possible that is.

If there are any metrics you think I should add, let me know.

Thanks :O
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:03 PM   #2
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Are you saying 60-120 in top gear? If so I think the standard is 60-80. If not, I'm not sure how you would test that.
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Whatever gear for your power band. Not talking fuel economy roll-ons.

In other words: you're riding it like you just stole it and the popo is after you
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Just saying, asking riders from a street rider forum is cool and all but nobody on this forum is using 100% of their bike's capabilites.

Can I ask you what yyoure trying to accomplish with these questions ?
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Just saying, asking riders from a street rider forum is cool and all but nobody on this forum is using 100% of their bike's capabilites.

Can I ask you what yyoure trying to accomplish with these questions ?
Making real world comparisons between bikes, primarily 600 vs 1000, so that someone can look at the numbers and get a much clearer picture of the difference between them.
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It'll be difficult to get all the times you mentioned.
I try to look at 1/4 mile times for acceleration.
Then look at 60-0 distance for braking and most sport bikes have lap times associated with them in magazine writeups. If you find a shootout type article you can see how the bike you are interested in, compares to others in it's class.

One other thing I like to keep in mind is ALL of the current sport bikes can do more than I can handle so, ultimate comparisons are wasted.
I mean, if bike A is 2/10ths a lap faster than bike B in a magazine comparo, what difference does it make when MY lap times are 5 seconds slower?
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Just saying, asking riders from a street rider forum is cool and all but nobody on this forum is using 100% of their bike's capabilites.
It wouldn't matter for general comparisons until you think about other factors like temperature, age of bike and the huge one RIDER WEIGHT. Me on a 1000 will be a little faster than some of the people I have seen on them. (cough bloaters cough)

So, this is pointless. Sorry.
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It'll be difficult to get all the times you mentioned.
I try to look at 1/4 mile times for acceleration.
Then look at 60-0 distance for braking and most sport bikes have lap times associated with them in magazine writeups. If you find a shootout type article you can see how the bike you are interested in, compares to others in it's class.

One other thing I like to keep in mind is ALL of the current sport bikes can do more than I can handle so, ultimate comparisons are wasted.
I mean, if bike A is 2/10ths a lap faster than bike B in a magazine comparo, what difference does it make when MY lap times are 5 seconds slower?
Fair point, is will be included.

The data I'm after is also more for street/highway use, not so much the twisty-turny bits.

Things like 120-60 are useful for those moments when you crest a hill and realize the 90mph traffic you were just cutting through has become 55mph and 60-120 being the time to get back on it.
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all this data for highway/street use? You're taking street racing too seriously possibly?
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Here is an example of a failure in current data evaluations I've seen: My Triumph will do 130mph in 5th, but I am very limited by its braking and cornering, if compared to a newer supersport. You can't tell this is the case without experience, because this data isn't out there, so you could go get yourself a Triumph like mine and think you'll be just as zippy as a similar HP newer bike... but you won't be, because of your brakes.
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Okay, I can tell you between the 600s

If you want to know which 600 can get around the track the fastest with best combination of brakes, acceleration, suspension/chassis etc its the r6.

For the 1000s someone else is going to have to cover that, the ktm rc8 obviously has still been doing pretty good in the cmra, bmw is up there and so is the gsxr1000.
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Fair point, is will be included.

The data I'm after is also more for street/highway use, not so much the twisty-turny bits.

Things like 120-60 are useful for those moments when you crest a hill and realize the 90mph traffic you were just cutting through has become 55mph and 60-120 being the time to get back on it.
Any supersport from 2000 or newer(r6,r1, s1000rr, gsxr, ect..) will brake beyond the limits of street traction, and all 600s and 1ks are close enough in acceleration that it doesn't matter on the street until way past 100
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Any supersport from 2000 or newer(r6,r1, s1000rr, gsxr, ect..) will brake beyond the limits of street traction, and all 600s and 1ks are close enough in acceleration that it doesn't matter on the street until way past 100
Here are some figures I've found to suggest otherwise...
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Here are some figures I've found to suggest otherwise...
Put on the same tires and pads and they will all be very close
, ty and wagnon managed to set a few track records on a ktm that shows up in last for braking.
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Put on the same tires and pads and they will all be very close
, ty and wagnon managed to set a few track records on a ktm that shows up in last for braking.
he's right. also the rider plays a bigger role than you think obviously
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That's great. Truly, no sarcasm, it actually is great, but it doesn't particularly help, nor is it terribly relevant :/
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wagnon just set a record on a gsxr 750 and then again on the debut of a zx10r.

Also are you suggesting we go out and go 120mph on public roads to get data for you?
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I got tired of the multitudes of opinions on different bikes, so I'm trying to put together some times for a bike comparison. Just how much faster/slower are all these different bikes, hmm?
Youre trying to determine which is the best bike out there yes? in terms of performance? And not wanting to base it off peoples opinions?

In the 600 class I brought up the r6 because most of the local 600cc track records are set on a r6, and how consistently that bike is in the top of its race class even in the AMA. the data youre pulling from magazines, various riders, forums, etc will provide VERY inconsistent data.

but maybe you'll get someone to post on here with the data youd like to hear or asked for.
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My Triumph will do 130mph in 5th, but I am very limited by its braking and cornering, if compared to a newer supersport. You can't tell this is the case without experience, because this data isn't out there, so you could go get yourself a Triumph like mine and think you'll be just as zippy as a similar HP newer bike... but you won't be, because of your brakes.
You are leaving out a major factor...the rider.

I know riders on "slower" bikes that routinely leave behind "faster, newer, better" bikes. Especially on the street.

Carry on, I'll grab some popcorn...and Scotch.
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