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Old 07-01-2014, 01:37 PM   #61
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Old 07-01-2014, 03:20 PM   #62
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I see no problem with the way the law is written. The 2nd guy that survived was NOT charged for the 1st guy's death.

He was charged in engaging in hazardous activity.

The degree of felony charged is determined by the degree of hazardous activity.

The degree of hazardous activity is determined by whether a death or serious bodily injury resulted.

These two are alleged accomplices in the same felony. If they had killed an innocent pedestrian, it would trigger the same upgrade to 2nd degree felony. Same also, if they killed a pillion rider. Would it matter which bike the pillion was on? Or which bike struck the pedestrian? Or which of the two idiots died?
I was on a ride where a dude ate . It was s spirited ride but I was in control and riding well withing my comfort zone. A guy in front of me was pushing past his limit. He went off the road and got up. Who is to decide how dangerously I was riding? His injuries dont tell how my riding was. This has actually happened more than once
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I was on a ride where a dude ate . It was s spirited ride but I was in control and riding well withing my comfort zone. A guy in front of me was pushing past his limit. He went off the road and got up. Who is to decide how dangerously I was riding? His injuries dont tell how my riding was. This has actually happened more than once
Guilt by association, you know the law...if you cant do the time, don't do the crime... or work to get it changed instead fo just whining about it.
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I was on a ride where a dude ate . It was s spirited ride but I was in control and riding well withing my comfort zone. A guy in front of me was pushing past his limit. He went off the road and got up. Who is to decide how dangerously I was riding? His injuries dont tell how my riding was. This has actually happened more than once
did you run into him because you were street racing?
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Who says the guy that does
wasn't just riding along and up and hit the rider who lived?
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BAM! You've been objectively spot on throughout this thread Rob!
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I was on a ride where a dude ate . It was s spirited ride but I was in control and riding well withing my comfort zone. A guy in front of me was pushing past his limit. He went off the road and got up. Who is to decide how dangerously I was riding? His injuries dont tell how my riding was. This has actually happened more than once
This happened twice in front of me on one ride - my first with MH. The same guy ran off twice. I think he sold his bike after that. I helped him carry the pieces back.
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Happens all too often unfortunately.
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I was on a ride where a dude ate . It was s spirited ride but I was in control and riding well withing my comfort zone. A guy in front of me was pushing past his limit. He went off the road and got up. Who is to decide how dangerously I was riding? His injuries dont tell how my riding was. This has actually happened more than once
That is the number 1 reason I dont do MH rides any more. Too many young punks with too much to prove with too little skills.

These days I only ride with people I know and have ridden with. Occasionally, new riders come into to our rides but you can tell right quick how they qualify. Last year on a day ride to Llano, a guy on a Vrod just couldnt corner for . We kept telling him to take it easy and ride his own pace, we'll wait for him on the next stop, which we did repeatedly. He finally took a spill, which thankfully was not too bad, and his bike was ridable. We ditched him after lunch and told him to take 71 and I10 straight back, instead of following us on the winding backroads.

We couldn't care less if he got offended. We wanted nothing to do with the guy.
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I only rode with a few select people 99% of the time
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I've seen a few close ones (byrdman) and been passed mid corner out on crr (though the guy was in control, a newb would have been spooked), I'm not into pushing the limits, especially with the tar snakes, I've had more slips out there than the hill country with gravel and poor roads.
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Pretty sure just saying RIP, condolences etc etc. would be a whole lot more respectful towards the dead and the family compared to griping about charges.
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Really up to the jury unless he gets a bench trial.
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This happened twice in front of me on one ride - my first with MH. The same guy ran off twice. I think he sold his bike after that. I helped him carry the pieces back.
The ride with heavy fog in the morning that went to navasota?
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Sorry to hear about this. RIP to the deceased and hope all others involved come thru okay, but since this has become a discussion of the law....

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So let me get this straight - the guy(who died) rear ended the other rider. In my own experiences. When a rear end collision occurs it is usually ONLY the fault of the person in the rear. No matter how fast the person in the front was going. I believe it's called "failure to control speed" or something like that.

Hopefully the surviving rider has enough money to get this stuff dismissed. He probably was so upset he admitted to something, helping to facilitate the charges.

One thing we can all learn from this is never admit anything to the police without counsel.
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or work to get it changed instead fo just whining about it.
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So let me get this straight - the guy(who died) rear ended the other rider. In my own experiences. When a rear end collision occurs it is usually ONLY the fault of the person in the rear. No matter how fast the person in the front was going. I believe it's called "failure to control speed" or something like that.

Hopefully the surviving rider has enough money to get this stuff dismissed. He probably was so upset he admitted to something, helping to facilitate the charges.

One thing we can all learn from this is never admit anything to the police without counsel.
They didn't charge the guy with killing the other rider or causing the accident. They charged him with street racing that happened to result in a death. The race(if that's even what it was, which has been objectively pointed out) caused the death and the survivor participated in the race, so that carries a more sever charge.

To me it is kind of stupid, but it's the law. I can see why it would bne in place to protect innocent bystanders, but if one of the people racing dies, then, well... thats the risk you took.
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I have yet to hear or see any proof they were racing. Other than a guy in a field saying so, and channel 13 reporting as such.....
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I have yet to hear or see any proof they were racing. Other than a guy in a field saying so, and channel 13 reporting as such.....
You'll never hear or see any proof as you were not there and you don't have access to the DPS Fatality Report
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You'll never hear or see any proof as you were not there and you don't have access to the DPS Fatality Report
So the only people that will ever know are the ones who were there....interesting.

A fatality report isn't going to prove one way or the other about the alleged racing aspect of the story.
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