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Old 06-30-2014, 04:19 PM   #1
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Ion Electric Motorcycle

Curious to know what some of the older rider thought about the switch to the racing bikes and technology for Motorcycles in the past decades. Looks like we are about to see another big one in the next 5-6 years when electric bikes go mainstream.

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Old 06-30-2014, 04:31 PM   #2
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It's going to be real cool to see what they start to produce. I really like the R n T.
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Electric scooters might go mainstream. If they have decent range AND storage capacity I would even try one. Electric motorcycles will lag behind electric cars and they are decades from being mainstream.

I think Harley is the first major manufacture to even try it out right?
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HD sold 260,839 bikes in 2013. That was how I was using the word "major". None of those companies you listed even release hard sales numbers. I don't see how you could in any way consider them major.
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HD sold 260,839 bikes in 2013. That was how I was using the word "major". None of those companies you listed even release hard sales numbers. I don't see how you could in any way consider them major.
Just sit back and think for a sec ... these companies he listed and many more are working on this technology and have been for years. If you believe Yami, Suzuki, Honda, and the rest do not have a R&D group working on this or watching these other companies you need to come out of your bubble.

Just because Harley mentioned they may build an electric bike does not mean they are the only "major" manuf. working towards this. They had to put out the feeler as their base demographic as far as perception is not "green" minded. But you have a big percentage of Harley riders that are doctors, lawyers etc that will drop the cash just to buy one of these electric harley bikes just like they did with the Tesla and other electric cars.

This technology will not be out of the US .. we are behind in Electric Motorized vehicles as BIG OIL run here. But emerging markets like India and China have been on this for a while now.
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Just sit back and think for a sec ... these companies he listed and many more are working on this technology and have been for years. If you believe Yami, Suzuki, Honda, and the rest do not have a R&D group working on this or watching these other companies you need to come out of your bubble.

Just because Harley mentioned they may build an electric bike does not mean they are the only "major" manuf. working towards this. They had to put out the feeler as their base demographic as far as perception is not "green" minded. But you have a big percentage of Harley riders that are doctors, lawyers etc that will drop the cash just to buy one of these electric harley bikes just like they did with the Tesla and other electric cars.

This technology will not be out of the US .. we are behind in Electric Motorized vehicles as BIG OIL run here. But emerging markets like India and China have been on this for a while now.

By try it out I meant release an actual production like prototype. The technology for any EV is battery chemistry. Japan leads here because of their domination of portable electronics (Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony). Nothing to do with BIG OIL.
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By try it out I meant release an actual production like prototype. The technology for any EV is battery chemistry. Japan leads here because of their domination of portable electronics (Toshiba, Panasonic, Sony). Nothing to do with BIG OIL.
We could duplicate the same technology ... maybe better (just steel the Japanese like we did the Germans in WWII lol). But as far as production bike I still stand behind my opinion that the major manuf are building them ... if it goes fast with some range sport riders will buy one. For HD riders ... they gotta sell em on it first.
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For me it has nothing to do with big oil. If its electric, I want 200 mile range with the ability to rechage as fast ( or even 10 min ) as I can fill a tank... give me that and I would buy one. until then...
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For me it has nothing to do with big oil. If its electric, I want 200 mile range with the ability to rechage as fast ( or even 10 min ) as I can fill a tank... give me that and I would buy one. until then...
Which will always be the case with nickel or lithium batteries.

The entire future of EVs is in battery technology getting better not taking existing batteries and learning how to build vehicles. Without super capacitors or better batteries there should be no public interest (ie government rebates) in building these things.

If I released a phone battery that could fully recharge in 1 minute, everyone would want one. The incentive is already there.
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Which will always be the case with nickel or lithium batteries.

The entire future of EVs is in battery technology getting better not taking existing batteries and learning how to build vehicles. Without super capacitors or better batteries there should be no public interest (ie government rebates) in building these things.

If I released a phone battery that could fully recharge in 1 minute, everyone would want one. The incentive is already there.
Exactly.
When battery tech becomes a viable alternative THEN electric cars and bikes become a reasonable alternative.
As an "old dude" I think electric bikes would be a hoot. But I ain't paying $14,000 for a bike I can barely ride to work and back before I have to spend hours refueling. For that money I can get any number of bikes with better performance and double the range. Then refuel in 5 minutes.

Someday they'll figure out how to store more power in a smaller, lighter package that can recharge faster but, I think is still a few years out. And a few more before it becomes cheap enough to compete.
And then there's always the oil company conspiracy, lol
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Who is then?
yamaha, PES-1 (and from our very own MH)
http://www.gizmag.com/yamaha-electri...se-2015/31983/

hero (currently corporate partners with EBR, and as the largest manufacturer by volume globally, you can't say they're not "major")
http://cleanrider.com/indian-hero/
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/750/18...N-Concept.aspx

suzuki
http://green.autoblog.com/2013/10/30...c-motorcycles/

honda, apparently starting as far as 20 years back...
http://world.honda.com/EV-neo/concept/

kawi, to some extent
http://www.cnet.com/pictures/future-...ow-pictures/5/

The other guys may not be as close to production with a current model, but it's not like they're just not doing anything with them.
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HD sold 260,839 bikes in 2013. That was how I was using the word "major". None of those companies you listed even release hard sales numbers. I don't see how you could in any way consider them major.
Considering they already have bikes on showroom floors......

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So I have to defend "major" and "try it out" now.

Concept

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Scooter

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Concept

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Don't let t-max hear you say that a scooter doesn't count

Do you then discount Hero as a major motorcycle manufacturer, just because they're not big in the US (6 million units vs. HD's [edit]261k)? And last time I checked, the HD is still not in production, so as of the last news release I saw it's still conceptual until production actually starts.

If you go back through old patents HD as a company has come up with some pretty cool stuff... leaning trikes, very different engine designs than the standard air-cooled v-twin, but for some reason they've never really acted on them. Maybe they decided to finally get their head out of their collective and actually try something different than "potato".

As for other major manufacturers NOT having a production-ready electric, perhaps they just don't see the market as being ready yet? Perhaps the economics just don't work out? Don't know what the hold up is, but my point is they've all explored the technology, and regardless of frame configuration, several have put the concept into production already.

Not to mention that if you actually looked at the article about the Yami, they're stated as being ready for production "In the near future" as Yamaha put it, which sounds like it's likely on an even timeline with HD.
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Indian bike manufactures don't count because of dot.
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As for other major manufacturers NOT having a production-ready electric, perhaps they just don't see the market as being ready yet? Perhaps the economics just don't work out?
Umm, I have been saying this the entire thread. Honda knows all about batteries, they just don't want to lose money. HD has no problem losing money.
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I still stand by my OP ... In the next 5-6 years there will be a bunch electric bikes on the roads .. Maybe just short commuters but they will be there. They already have race prototypes out using braking to recharge the system. I wouldn't see too far 120+ mile range sport types on the showroom floors
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