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Old 08-19-2014, 01:04 PM   #101
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A computer can, potentially, react faster and more accurately than a human, as well as react to that which the rider can't or just didn't see, like a dirty road.

Obviously it isn't crash proof or anything, but it'll help, especially early on while learning the bike.
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How did riders manage to stay alive riding on the street before traction control.... how am I still alive and in one piece without it?
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A computer can, potentially, react faster and more accurately than a human, as well as react to that which the rider can't or just didn't see, like a dirty road.

Obviously it isn't crash proof or anything, but it'll help, especially early on while learning the bike.
If you need it to help you learn to ride a superbike, you're probably not ready for a superbike.
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If you need it to help you learn to ride a superbike, you're probably not ready for a superbike.
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TC isn't designed to help you learn to ride a bike or keep you from crashing. It is designed to set track records and win races.
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Old 08-19-2014, 04:11 PM   #105
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I'll just leave this here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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TC isn't designed to help you learn to ride a bike or keep you from crashing. It is designed to set track records and win races.
Why then is traction control on other bikes besides the ultimate performance bikes. Are you really suggesting that TC has no real world application while riding on the street? That manufactures that put rain modes on their bikes are just plain silly? Why was the first production motorcycle to recieve TC only a sport tourer and not a superbike? Why does California superbike use s1000rr's specifically because of all their electronic aids?
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Even with the super amazingly maintained roads we have here in Houston, which never have oil patches, dirt, or anything else on them, I still think I'd like TC on a 160+HP bike
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I've ridden an RSV4 with TC set to max - you practically have training wheels on at that point xD
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About 7mins he gets into TC/ABS testing. I'll take it over not having it.

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Obviously it isn't crash proof or anything, but it'll help, especially early on while learning the bike.
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So if your "Original Argument" was not concerning the use of TC to control a high horse power bike on Houston's city streets while attempting to learn said bike, potentially preventing a crash which may be caused by road debris by utilizing a computer system that has the ability to react faster then you can.... then what exactly were you talking about?
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About 7mins he gets into TC/ABS testing. I'll take it over not having it.
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Does this help?
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Why then is traction control on other bikes besides the ultimate performance bikes. Are you really suggesting that TC has no real world application while riding on the street? That manufactures that put rain modes on their bikes are just plain silly? Why was the first production motorcycle to recieve TC only a sport tourer and not a superbike? Why does California superbike use s1000rr's specifically because of all their electronic aids?
Ok ill admit I should have called out IMO.

But my argument is riders rode on wet and dirty streets for the past century without TC and made it just fine while riding with tires and suspension/chassis with far less technology in them as they are today. (implying less traction if you will) Last I checked I was not attempting to drag my elbow on the street while its raining so why would I need TC when you can accomplish the same goal with your wrist.

So to answer your question no I don't see a real world application on the street as long as you ride within your means. If you are ripping down RR and hit a patch of gravel someone laid out for you in the middle of a turn I believe luck will play a bigger role than TC at that point. In the rain as long as you ride cautiously no TC is needed. ABS in a emergency situation is another story.

So my question to you is

How did people manage to ride in the rain before rain mode?
How did people not Crash before TC
By California SB do you mean the school/trackday org? In which case they are on a race track implying trying to push the bike and or your riding skills to the limit.. on the track.
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They didn't ride as hard, or as safely, as they can now do, thanks to rider aids. You also act like people don't lose control and get hurt/die- SOME of this could have been prevented.

A bike with TC can be taken further than a bike without TC, just as a bike with good ABS can be braked further, as your margin for error is handled by a computer, enabling faster reaction time and oh- detection. The usefulness would vary depending upon the quality of the TC/ABS.

Also keep in mind the s1000rr with exhaust/ecu update can pushes 200 rwhp
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Right so by your logic we should stick with the same technology from a century ago. People survived a century ago without internet computers and other fancy things we have today., so we should live the same way.

You honestly don't think there has ever been a single accident saved or could have been save by TC? I ride in the rain all the time and haven't had TC on any of my bikes. These bikes have enough to light up the rear tire in the best conditions with slicks. Yes the throttle can be controlled with your right hand but as well all know riders can make mistakes and that's when traction control comes in. Just like I can stop in the rain just fine without abs but when I make a mistake it would be nice to have a back up to catch me.
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Does this help?
I guess it will help you if you're not a confident rider or you lack motor skills to properly operate the throttle
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I can't believe you're this dumb, so I'll assume you're trolling. Have fun.

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They didn't ride as hard, or as safely, as they can now do, thanks to rider aids. You also act like people don't lose control and get hurt/die- SOME of this could have been prevented.

A bike with TC can be taken further than a bike without TC, just as a bike with good ABS can be braked further, as your margin for error is handled by a computer, enabling faster reaction time and oh- detection. The usefulness would vary depending upon the quality of the TC/ABS.

Also keep in mind the s1000rr with exhaust/ecu update can pushes 200 rwhp
TC is not going to keep you from running wide in a turn on the streets which is how I've seen almost every rider crash.

If TC makes you feel better, then you should definitely purchase a bike that has it
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I can't believe you're this dumb, so I'll assume you're trolling. Have fun.
Well noob, a troll is anonymous. I'm free this Saturday if you care to tow me on your favorite road. Where would you like to meet? You can shoot me a PM if that's better for you.
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Did anyone watch the moto3 race? 16th place finished less than 2 sec behind the winner. Also the most epic blunder of all time, makes Jorge's start at COTA look like a stroke of genius.
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Marquez today, testing!!! Crash or save????
That has to be one of the most impressive saves captured on film.... One would normally put it down to luck but this pic here from last year, belive it or not, was also a save.

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Haven't watched moto 3 yet but watched 2 last night. Where was Herrin at? He's not doing this year in gp except for crashing. He's gonna lose his ride if he doesn't step it up.
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