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Old 08-18-2014, 03:32 PM   #61
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[QUOTE=kenup283;3806206]Honda have also won every moto2 race since the classes inception. Makes you wanna go out and buy a 600rr, I know.

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Entire grid control ECU won't be until 2016 if I'm reading this right.

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112991
They all have the same ECU starting ths year. It is magneti marreli. All teams now have same number of inputs and outputs.

From 2016 they will all have to use the same software too.

Curently Factories can choose to be exempt from the standard software by taking the "factory option". it comes at the cost of less fuel, less testing, no engine development and stricter reliability, but they still must use the standard ECU.



Below is link to the rules and electronics (pg.60) is copied below with emphasis added in bold.

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/al...ion_14.06).pdf


2.4.3.5 Electronics

1) In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar) are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and used for their media and promotional purposes. No GPS or similar system may be connected (wired or wireless) to any part of the machine, other than as directed by the Organiser. Specifically it is prohibited to control any aspect of engine or motorcycle performance using the GPS signal. The Organisers may supply the GPS data to each team only after practice (or race) data download.

2) Tyre temperature/pressure sensors are permitted in all classes.

3) The use of the official MotoGP Electronic Control Unit (ECU) supplied by the Organiser is compulsory for all machines.
a) The full Official MotoGP ECU Kit is compulsory for all machines entered in the Open category. This consists of:
 Official MotoGP ECU, including internal datalogger.
 Official MotoGP engine and chassis control software.
 Calibration and datalogging tools.
 Inertial platform.
 Dashboard.
 Switchboard.
b) Only the Official MotoGP ECU Kit hardware and software is
allowed, no additional dataloggers and dashboards are allowed
.
c) Sensors and modules:
i. Engine/chassis control strategies:
 No external module of any kind can be connected to the MotoGP ECU engine/chassis management Input/Outputs, with the exemptions of modules specifically allowed by the Organiser.
 Any kind of sensors are allowed, provided no change to make such sensors work is needed on any Hardware/Software part of the MotoGP ECU Kit.
ii. Datalogging:
 Any kind of sensors and external modules are allowed,
provided no change to make such sensors/modules logged is needed on any hardware or software part of the MotoGP ECU Kit.
Clarification: the same sensor can be used for both purposes of datalogging and engine/chassis control input, provided it is a “sensor” and not a “module”. Modules can be used only for datalogging purposes. To this extent a “sensor” is a one-to-one device that measures something physical and turns into an electric signal that can be used as an ECU input.
d) Datalogging of certain specified “maintenance” channels on the internal datalogger is compulsory, in order for the supplier to check for correct operation (no confidential team data will be included). To achieve this, an approved ECU data download connector is compulsory (refer to Table 8 in the Appendix). If the data download cable is a separate item and not permanently fixed to the machine, 3 examples of this cable must be delivered to the Technical Director prior to the end of Technical Control of the first race of the season.

4) As an exemption to 2.4.3.5.3) above, each Manufacturer (includes motorcycle manufacturers and chassis manufacturers) can choose up to 4 riders to enter under the Factory Option, with the following conditions:
a) The use the Official MotoGP ECU (and not the full MotoGP ECU Kit), with its internal data logger and BIOS software, for engine/chassis management is compulsory.

b) External modules and/or ECU access by CAN BUS are not controlled, but the following actuators must be driven directly by the ECU power outputs, or by mean of power modules*:
 ignition coils,
 injectors,
 ride-by-wire motors,
 variable intake trumpet motors,
 valves (e.g. pneumatic timing system valves, exhaust
valves).
*A power module is a module that only has:
 an electric power input,
 an input from a MotoGP ECU power output,
 a power output.
b) Application software for engine and chassis control is not controlled, and it will be possible to write it in C or Matlab/Simulink languages.
c) Datalogging of certain specified “maintenance” channels (to be provided by BIOS software) on the internal datalogger is compulsory, in order for the supplier to check for correct operation (e.g. ECU temperature, vibration, etc. No confidential team data will be included).
d) An approved ECU data download connector (refer to Table 8 in the Appendix) is not compulsory, but if this not available, then the Technical Director may require that the ECU is removed from the machine to check for compliance of the BIOS software and working ECU parameters, as necessary.
e) Additional external dataloggers are allowed.
f) Dashboard, displays and switches are not controlled.
Note that Art. 2.3.4.5. 4) Factory Option above, also affects the following articles:

1.15.1.1 Practice and Testing
2.4.3.3.1. a) and 2.4.3.3.1. b) Engine Durability 2.4.3.1.5 Factory Engine Homologation 2.4.4.5.5 Fuel Capacity
2.4.4.9.3 Tyre Restrictions

5) For Wild Card entries ECU hardware and software, and dataloggers are not controlled, with the following related conditions:
 Wild Cards may use a maximum of 3 engines per event (Art. 2.4.3.3.1.d).
 Wild Cards entered by a Manufacturer with contracted rider(s) already entered under the Factory Option will have a maximum fuel tank capacity of 20 litres.
All other Wild Cards will have a maximum fuel tank capacity of 24 litres (Art. 2.4.4.5.5).

Note that regulations concerning MotoGP Electronics have been agreed by the Grand Prix Commission (22.3.2014) for application from 2016. The regulations will include:
The full Official MotoGP ECU Kit (hardware and software) as described in Art. 2.4.3.5.3 will be mandatory for all entries with effect from the 2016 season.
 From 2014, current and prospective participants in the MotoGP class will collaborate to assist with the design and development of the Official ECU software, via a closed user website.

(Decision of the GP Commission, Doha, QAT 22nd March)
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Honda have also won every moto2 race since the classes inception. Makes you wanna go out and buy a 600rr, I know.

In motogp they already are running the same spec ECU...And Honda still whipping everyone.

The next move that already is to make the same software that everyone is suppose to jointly develop...its going to be a joke... Honda will whip even more because the have the least software dependent performance, and the best mechanical ones.
I think if you look and the standings in moto2 you will notice there is not a single honda on the grid. The series is dominated by Kalex and suter. There is a lot more to a bike than a spec motor.
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They all have the same ECU starting ths year. It is magneti marreli. All teams now have same number of inputs and outputs.

From 2016 they will all have to use the same software too.

Curently Factories can choose to be exempt from the standard software by taking the "factory option". it comes at the cost of less fuel, less testing, no engine development and stricter reliability, but they still must use the standard ECU.



Below is link to the rules and electronics (pg.60) is copied below with emphasis added in bold.

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/al...ion_14.06).pdf


2.4.3.5 Electronics

1) In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar) are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and used for their media and promotional purposes. No GPS or similar system may be connected (wired or wireless) to any part of the machine, other than as directed by the Organiser. Specifically it is prohibited to control any aspect of engine or motorcycle performance using the GPS signal. The Organisers may supply the GPS data to each team only after practice (or race) data download.

2) Tyre temperature/pressure sensors are permitted in all classes.

3) The use of the official MotoGP Electronic Control Unit (ECU) supplied by the Organiser is compulsory for all machines.
a) The full Official MotoGP ECU Kit is compulsory for all machines entered in the Open category. This consists of:
 Official MotoGP ECU, including internal datalogger.
 Official MotoGP engine and chassis control software.
 Calibration and datalogging tools.
 Inertial platform.
 Dashboard.
 Switchboard.
b) Only the Official MotoGP ECU Kit hardware and software is
allowed, no additional dataloggers and dashboards are allowed
.
c) Sensors and modules:
i. Engine/chassis control strategies:
 No external module of any kind can be connected to the MotoGP ECU engine/chassis management Input/Outputs, with the exemptions of modules specifically allowed by the Organiser.
 Any kind of sensors are allowed, provided no change to make such sensors work is needed on any Hardware/Software part of the MotoGP ECU Kit.
ii. Datalogging:
 Any kind of sensors and external modules are allowed,
provided no change to make such sensors/modules logged is needed on any hardware or software part of the MotoGP ECU Kit.
Clarification: the same sensor can be used for both purposes of datalogging and engine/chassis control input, provided it is a “sensor” and not a “module”. Modules can be used only for datalogging purposes. To this extent a “sensor” is a one-to-one device that measures something physical and turns into an electric signal that can be used as an ECU input.
d) Datalogging of certain specified “maintenance” channels on the internal datalogger is compulsory, in order for the supplier to check for correct operation (no confidential team data will be included). To achieve this, an approved ECU data download connector is compulsory (refer to Table 8 in the Appendix). If the data download cable is a separate item and not permanently fixed to the machine, 3 examples of this cable must be delivered to the Technical Director prior to the end of Technical Control of the first race of the season.

4) As an exemption to 2.4.3.5.3) above, each Manufacturer (includes motorcycle manufacturers and chassis manufacturers) can choose up to 4 riders to enter under the Factory Option, with the following conditions:
a) The use the Official MotoGP ECU (and not the full MotoGP ECU Kit), with its internal data logger and BIOS software, for engine/chassis management is compulsory.

b) External modules and/or ECU access by CAN BUS are not controlled, but the following actuators must be driven directly by the ECU power outputs, or by mean of power modules*:
 ignition coils,
 injectors,
 ride-by-wire motors,
 variable intake trumpet motors,
 valves (e.g. pneumatic timing system valves, exhaust
valves).
*A power module is a module that only has:
 an electric power input,
 an input from a MotoGP ECU power output,
 a power output.
b) Application software for engine and chassis control is not controlled, and it will be possible to write it in C or Matlab/Simulink languages.
c) Datalogging of certain specified “maintenance” channels (to be provided by BIOS software) on the internal datalogger is compulsory, in order for the supplier to check for correct operation (e.g. ECU temperature, vibration, etc. No confidential team data will be included).
d) An approved ECU data download connector (refer to Table 8 in the Appendix) is not compulsory, but if this not available, then the Technical Director may require that the ECU is removed from the machine to check for compliance of the BIOS software and working ECU parameters, as necessary.
e) Additional external dataloggers are allowed.
f) Dashboard, displays and switches are not controlled.
Note that Art. 2.3.4.5. 4) Factory Option above, also affects the following articles:

1.15.1.1 Practice and Testing
2.4.3.3.1. a) and 2.4.3.3.1. b) Engine Durability 2.4.3.1.5 Factory Engine Homologation 2.4.4.5.5 Fuel Capacity
2.4.4.9.3 Tyre Restrictions

5) For Wild Card entries ECU hardware and software, and dataloggers are not controlled, with the following related conditions:
 Wild Cards may use a maximum of 3 engines per event (Art. 2.4.3.3.1.d).
 Wild Cards entered by a Manufacturer with contracted rider(s) already entered under the Factory Option will have a maximum fuel tank capacity of 20 litres.
All other Wild Cards will have a maximum fuel tank capacity of 24 litres (Art. 2.4.4.5.5).

Note that regulations concerning MotoGP Electronics have been agreed by the Grand Prix Commission (22.3.2014) for application from 2016. The regulations will include:
The full Official MotoGP ECU Kit (hardware and software) as described in Art. 2.4.3.5.3 will be mandatory for all entries with effect from the 2016 season.
 From 2014, current and prospective participants in the MotoGP class will collaborate to assist with the design and development of the Official ECU software, via a closed user website.

(Decision of the GP Commission, Doha, QAT 22nd March)


Ah, I thought Honda threw a tantrum and threatened to take their toys and leave if this was done causing them to push the full implementation back to next year or 2016.
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I think if you look and the standings in moto2 you will notice there is not a single honda on the grid. The series is dominated by Kalex and suter. There is a lot more to a bike than a spec motor.


However, I believe either Kalex or Suter will make a bike for anyone. You just have to pony up around $160,000 or so and it's yours. Surprised HES hasn't posted up one in his garage.
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One race series is you're basis for being the best bike? What about WSBK, AMA (oh yeah, Honda left), BSB and just about any other series other than the Isle. Where was Honda this year without John McGuiness? Sure, Dunlop got them a couple of podiums but other than that it was all BMW.

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But he only managed a 4th yesterday. Pedrosa couldn't have won on anything but a Honda
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But he only managed a 4th yesterday. Pedrosa couldn't have won on anything but a Honda
You're right pedrosa has only won the 2nd most amount of gp's out of the riders on the grid, he isn't very good. Not sure if Marc has passed up Jorge yet.
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You're right pedrosa has only won the 2nd most amount of gp's out of the riders on the grid, he isn't very good. Not sure if Marc has passed up Jorge yet.


Didn't you recently post something to the effect that if Honda was so good, Pedrosa wouldn't barely be holding on to second place?
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Didn't you recently post something to the effect that if Honda was so good, Pedrosa wouldn't barely be holding on to second place?
No I was waiting for you to say that he won all of those on a honda, since his whole motogp career has been on a honda. He also holds the record for most gp wins without a championship. Not a record I'd want to hold.

Neon be sure to count the number of bmw's and ducatis in level 1.
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He also holds the record for most gp wins without a championship. Not a record I'd want to hold.
Bullshit, like you wouldn't be all if you made the grid.
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Never said I wouldn't be jumping around., I would like to win a championship after 27 wins.
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My goal is to lose atleast one AMA race in my life.

Never said I wouldn't be jumping around., I would like to win a championship after 27 wins.
You'd settle for dead last in the standings and you know it. Who's number two by the way?
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This is my biggest problem, seems like their production bikes lack compared to how awesome and advanced their race bikes are. The 600rr isn't even really competitive in the cmra with us normal racers, that class is dominated by the r6, gsxr's with the new zx6r looking very promising.
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