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Old 07-01-2014, 09:48 AM   #41
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Its not just about peak power numbers? Its about how the bike delivers that power and how that suits your riding style. The better bike is always the one that works for YOU the best. I do more street riding than trackdays so the Panigale never had a chance. WHY?
  1. Its too HOT, When ever we pull up after a ride it always smells like something is burning. and may not start
  2. Its Too cramped,
  3. Its too peaky to ride well in traffic
  4. In traffic IT melts melts down
  5. The pegs may as well be teflon coated lickerish. Slippery or flexy pickone but don't be both.
  6. The throttle is really light so on rough streets you get a lot of surging.
  7. The TC is designed to only work with only certain brands and model tires
  1. The EBR frame( and fuel) get hot also but its not even RSV4 hot and certatinly not i'm sittiing on the sun 1199 hot!
  2. The EBR is a big bike that's very compact, ERGOS are perfect for me whether all day riding (great seat) or railing at the track, or stuck in traffic.
  3. In traffic the EBR is well behaved and the fueling is so good its the first bike I have ever considered leaving the stock map and exhaust on. Mid corner its like butter smooth on off throttle and feel is heavy enough to modulate well even over really rough patches of road
  4. The pegs are super high quality with good grip and feel like rearsets with almost no fore aft or downward flex. They are adjustable for position and you can always ditch the folding mechanism and direct mount them if you want them fixed.
  5. The TC has 20 levels and off, the lower levels 3 levels let you be a hooligan. the next 7 are for the track and let you just go for it without much being aware of the TC or fear of highside. the next 8 are for street and wet roads and again it lets you just ride. level 20 is for gravel roads cuts power by 50% but you don't spin up the rear on the gravel either. Only down side is you can't change it on the fly.


I find however on the EBR you're never really look at or fool with the instruments once set. You find your self more interested in looking down the road and getting set up for the next corner or drive down straight. I wish it had self canceling signals though.

The EBR has the same nearly the topend power and way more low and midrange punch than the 1199 and more HP and Torque just about everywhere than a GSXR, CBR, RC8R, RSV4 or ZX10r. The SK1RR has it beat on peak HP by a lot and it shows. I4's also rev higher so they top out a little higher in speed as well. It may be more fun to ride any one of those bikes instead of the EBR becasue of the way they deliver their power though. It just depends on what you like. Some people like bikes that always feel like you're going fast. I like to feel like I'm going fast because I'm actually going fast. The EBR does that for me.
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Then what did you get the pannigale for? It's slower, poor ergos, an oven and expensive? Just for the looks? I'm legitimately curious why you would own a 1199 and s1000rr.
It's a fun bike to ride in the twisties, and I have always wanted a twin.. ..Slower doesn't mean less fun. Don't get me wrong the bike is still fast just not as fast as the BMW.. The bmw and the duc might be in the same class but they are very different bikes to ride and own...The buell wasn't out when I bought my panigale otherwisse I would have given it a chance albeit a small one.... I like the idea of the Buell but Im sure the dealer support and aftermarket goodies are lacking a bit.
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Looks for sure, its a sexy bike. Thats the only reason I'd get a Panigale. The s1000RR is a far superior bike.

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It's a fun bike to ride in the twisties, and I have always wanted a twin.. ..Slower doesn't mean less fun. Don't get me wrong the bike is still fast just not as fast as the BMW.. The bmw and the duc might be in the same class but they are very different bikes to ride and own...The buell wasn't out when I bought my panigale otherwisse I would have given it a chance albeit a small one.... I like the idea of the Buell but Im sure the dealer support and aftermarket goodies are lacking a bit.
Fair enough, you just have a lot more money than me apparently. If you enjoy riding it then all the other numbers don't matter.
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Yeah, because since 2012 BMW came out with a new bike and Honda...oh wait...they slapped on some Ohlins and called it a new bike..


They call it a CBR1000RR SP, not a new bike. CBRs also swept two podiums at Isle of Man last year, so there's that
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I like the idea of the Buell but Im sure the dealer support and aftermarket goodies are lacking a bit.
EBR has more dealers (73) in the US than either Aprilia or BMW, with two in the Houston area in GOE and HSBK.

After market I understand but what could/would want you change?

The Licence plate bracket? Comes off for track with three screws and four conectors. Thought about getting rid of it but the design keeps both my back and the back of the bike cleaner than a full fender. An eliminator might look cooler but there no light to tape on the track and it gets drivers attention on the street. Other options would look better but not necessarily work better.

Windscreen, thought about it until I was shown how you're just as aerodynamic when your eye level is just above the EBR wind screen and the air flow is designed specifically to lock the rider in a nuetral tuck. Enough down force to hold you in the tuck without neck fatigue and enough negative pressure to take the pressure off the lower back. I'm 6'3" and change and I find it comfortable to tuck for long periods on the super slab. Really smart stuff, a higher one would look cool but it wouldn't work better than the stock low one.

Race plastics- About two more months out. Definitly getting some.

HID's- Already got the brightest LED headlight allowed by law. unplugs with two connectors for the track (3 seconds)

Wheel's- already lighter than MAG aftermarkets for the 1199.

Exhaust- I'm torn here. The Stock exhasut is a tuned pipe that smooths the midrange, but we could lose about 15lbs with a race exhaust. Its not as loud as the 1199 but the sound is unique so you can still tell you own RPM even when in between louder machines. Aftermarkets not needed.

Racebattery- Stock battery is a Shorai

ECU- Stock one is programmable so not needed.

Rearsets- Stock, remove your folding units and you're there with 8 options for placement.

Sterring Damper- stock one is garbage but it works way better than it should. Replacements everywhere.

Tires- Run what you want the TC doesn't care, the TC on the Panigale does though so you can only run a certain brands and models or you get a light.

Brake pads- EBC HH EPFAs, EBR, Brembo, ect...

Slipper Clutch- available, the stock one is ok, but not as good as a mechanical.

The Clutch- is Hrydo assisted so when you're at iddle its a beast to pull, a little throttle and it lightens right up. Very easy to use.

Suspension- springs, shocks , valve kits are all availlable BPF in the front and showa race in the rear.

I guess you might want more power, but I don't know why, its a tough bike to override and if find you are, You had better be getting paid to do so.
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Its not just about peak power numbers? Its about how the bike delivers that power and how that suits your riding style. The better bike is always the one that works for YOU the best. I do more street riding than trackdays so the Panigale never had a chance. WHY?
  1. Its too HOT, When ever we pull up after a ride it always smells like something is burning. and may not start
  2. Its Too cramped,
  3. Its too peaky to ride well in traffic
  4. In traffic IT melts melts down
  5. The pegs may as well be teflon coated lickerish. Slippery or flexy pickone but don't be both.
  6. The throttle is really light so on rough streets you get a lot of surging.
  7. The TC is designed to only work with only certain brands and model tires
  1. The EBR frame( and fuel) get hot also but its not even RSV4 hot and certatinly not i'm sittiing on the sun 1199 hot!
  2. The EBR is a big bike that's very compact, ERGOS are perfect for me whether all day riding (great seat) or railing at the track, or stuck in traffic.
  3. In traffic the EBR is well behaved and the fueling is so good its the first bike I have ever considered leaving the stock map and exhaust on. Mid corner its like butter smooth on off throttle and feel is heavy enough to modulate well even over really rough patches of road
  4. The pegs are super high quality with good grip and feel like rearsets with almost no fore aft or downward flex. They are adjustable for position and you can always ditch the folding mechanism and direct mount them if you want them fixed.
  5. The TC has 20 levels and off, the lower levels 3 levels let you be a hooligan. the next 7 are for the track and let you just go for it without much being aware of the TC or fear of highside. the next 8 are for street and wet roads and again it lets you just ride. level 20 is for gravel roads cuts power by 50% but you don't spin up the rear on the gravel either. Only down side is you can't change it on the fly.


I find however on the EBR you're never really look at or fool with the instruments once set. You find your self more interested in looking down the road and getting set up for the next corner or drive down straight. I wish it had self canceling signals though.

The EBR has the same nearly the topend power and way more low and midrange punch than the 1199 and more HP and Torque just about everywhere than a GSXR, CBR, RC8R, RSV4 or ZX10r. The SK1RR has it beat on peak HP by a lot and it shows. I4's also rev higher so they top out a little higher in speed as well. It may be more fun to ride any one of those bikes instead of the EBR becasue of the way they deliver their power though. It just depends on what you like. Some people like bikes that always feel like you're going fast. I like to feel like I'm going fast because I'm actually going fast. The EBR does that for me.
I hated the throttle on the 1199, too light and too much slop and could not be adjusted. Also, the bike was twitchy with any amount of wind. A lot different than any other bike I have had, including 1198, S1000RR, ZX-10R etc. The bike was also warmer than all of my previous bikes, except for the RC-51. I swapped out the foot pegs on the 1199 for some with more grip, so not a big issue. It had a good top end with the full exhaust and decent midrange once I went 2-teeth up in the back. The 1199 is the best looking bike I have had, but that was not enough for me to keep it. I am currently looking at adding a 2nd bike to the stable, possibly the EBR or KTM 1290.
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Not new...no innovation!!!

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31 May 2014 6 Laps (226.38 Miles) Mountain Course.
Rank Rider Team Speed Time
1 Northern Ireland Michael Dunlop BMW 1000cc 128.415 mph 1:45.46.384
2 England Guy Martin Suzuki 1000cc 128.000 mph 1:46.06.954
3 Isle of Man Conor Cummins Honda 1000cc 127.940 mph 1:46.09.934
4 New Zealand Bruce Anstey Honda 1000cc 127.504 mph 1:46.31.687
5 England Michael Rutter BMW 1000cc 127.176 mph 1:46.48.186
6 Northern Ireland William Dunlop Suzuki 1000cc 126.982 mph 1:46.57.992
7 England John McGuinness Honda 1000cc 126.966 mph 1:46.58.722
8 England Dean Harrison Kawasaki 1000cc 126.160 mph 1:47.39.797
9 England James Hillier Kawasaki 1000cc 125.674 mph 1:48.04.777
10 Australia Josh Brookes Yamaha 1000cc 125.660 mph 1:48.05.487


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I'm sorry, I had a great time keeping up with bikes that had twice to three times the power as my power stock ninja 500.
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3 June 2014 4 Laps (150.73 Miles) Mountain Course.
Rank Rider Team Speed Time
1 Northern Ireland Michael Dunlop BMW 1000cc 127.216 mph 1:11.10.773
2 England Dean Harrison Kawasaki 1000cc 126.620 mph 1:11.30.882
3 New Zealand Bruce Anstey Honda 1000cc 125.936 mph 1:11.54.197
4 Australia David Johnson Kawasaki 1000cc 125.424 mph 1:12.11.802
5 England Lee Johnston Honda 1000cc 125.244 mph 1:12.18.017
6 England Michael Rutter BMW 1000cc 125.305 mph 1:12.18.305
7 Isle of Man Dan Kneen Suzuki 1000cc 124.261 mph 1:12.52.351
8 England Peter Hickman BMW 1000cc 123.670 mph 1:13.13.249
9 England John McGuinness Honda 1000cc 123.618 mph 1:13.15.099
10 England James Hillier Kawasaki 1000cc 123.345 mph 1:13.24.822
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Define "keeping up". Andrew's CBR500 didn't seem to have any problems
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1 Northern Ireland Michael Dunlop BMW 1000cc 128.680 mph 1:45.33.291
2 Isle of Man Conor Cummins Honda 1000cc 127.940 mph 1:45.47.291
3 England Guy Martin Suzuki 1000cc 128.201 mph 1:465.56.962
4 New Zealand Bruce Anstey Honda 1000cc 127.722 mph 1:46.20.814
5 England James Hillier Kawasaki 1000cc 127.693 mph 1:46.22.262
6 England John McGuinness Honda 1000cc 127.375 mph 1:46.38.179
7 Australia Josh Brookes Yamaha 1000cc 125.660 mph 1:46.43.877
8 Isle of Man Dan Kneen Kawasaki 1000cc 126.381 mph 1:47.28.519
9 England Michael Rutter BMW 1000cc 126.262 mph 1:47.34.561
10 Australia David Johnson Kawasaki 1000cc 125.551 mph 1:48.11.127


Fastest Lap and New Class Record: Michael Dunlop 131.668 mph (211.899 km/h) (17' 11.591) on lap 2.


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