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Old 06-30-2014, 03:02 PM   #21
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I really like the RSV4 and would have bought one, but I like V2 more. The deciding factor for me was ergos. I'm a big guy so I like the extra room of the RX. In terms of which is better, bang for the buck, may be the RSV4, Power and ease of use out of the box, EASILY the RX, 165rwhp I have yet to have anyone who claimed they had more power just walk away from me. Having ridden and riding with many 1199's, as a street bike RX every single time. No rev and wait for the power, no power spikes or hits its as close to the feel of an electric but with the topend run with anyone as well. Better ergos, better sound, more responsive, easier to set up suspension, almost no hear, longer range per tank, better midcorner response, better throttle response and the torque to make things happen at any pace and any gear. On the track, I'm not fast enough for it to really matter what I'm riding so the RX by virtue of it being easier to ride wins again. I personally couldn't live with the 1199. Ergos don't work and the engine has all the character of Honda. Might as well be an I4 with a V2 sound because that's how it feels.
As for looks. The best view of any motocycle is the view fromt the cockpit, I can't see the rest when I'm riding it.
Yeah, the 1199 is made for small dudes for sure!
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Been on the EBR, and the ergos are just fanfuckingtastic.

Ducati hasnt had an open invite for panigale test rides yet though : (
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Ergos don't work and the engine has all the character of Honda. Might as well be an I4 with a V2 sound because that's how it feels.
Not picking on anyone but I really don't understand how why people think a Honda doesn't have "character or soul".
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Been on the EBR, and the ergos are just fanfuckingtastic.

Ducati hasnt had an open invite for panigale test rides yet though : (
They had them at mancuso
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Not picking on anyone but I really don't understand how why people think a Honda doesn't have "character or soul".
I hope you aren't counting me as one of those people. Ride an 1199 and you get the same feel as you do on a CBR1000RR. Sowing machine smooth, and prototypical high reving peaky to extent that literbikes can be, nearly all at the the top powerpand that comes on with a very statisfying kick.



The EBR and RSV4 feel like your are riding something that's alive. Their at idle vibrations smooth out the higher they're rev'ed . The EBR doesn't give you a hit of power anywhere, it just comes on and keeps pulling. You can feel you're in the powerband at about 7.5k and up but it super linear, and you can basically live in 2n'd and 3rd all day long if you want, but if you rag it and row the gear box and use 1st in the upper revs its like being shot out of a cannon! More fun and easier to ride that either the 1199 or RSV4 which both want to wheelie when they come on the power. The RX basically only does what you specifically ask it to. Coming from the 650 the OP can't go wrong with any liter bike but the ergos and power of the RX make it the street bike for me. Your Milage (won't be as good as mine because it also gets an avg 48mpg !) May Vary. LOL
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Not picking on anyone but I really don't understand how why people think a Honda doesn't have "character or soul".
BEcause they are just plastic, generic, smooth...nothing to them.

That doesnt mean they arent technologically great...but they are just there.
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BEcause they are just plastic, generic, smooth...nothing to them.

That doesnt mean they arent technologically great...but they are just there.
I don't see how smoothness reduces character but to a bigger point I think the japanese are punished for their similarity to each other. I mean the 1190RX, Panigale and RSV4 are as disimilar to each other as they are to a japanese 1000. IF you want to punish it for having less technology, no argument from me.

Anyways just genuinely don't get it. I am an unapologetic Honda fan so I will admit to full bias.

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Is there a full exhaust available for the EBR yet? What about ECU tuning?

The 1199 definitely lacks the low end punch of the 1198, but has a good bit more top end. If the EBR has the low end and mid range of the 1198 with almost as much top end as the 1199, it should be a winner.
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Is there a full exhaust available for the EBR yet? What about ECU tuning?

The 1199 definitely lacks the low end punch of the 1198, but has a good bit more top end. If the EBR has the low end and mid range of the 1198 with almost as much top end as the 1199, it should be a winner.
Exhaust is underdevelopment, and the ECU is programmable.

The EBR has more out right low end grunt than the 1198 as well as more mid range. It has nearly the same top end as the stock 1199. Its all VERY linear so there is no real sense of when the power comes on, except for a little sure around 7.5k RPM on. If you like to be really smooth and push hard without feeling like the bike is going to bite you, you will love the EBR.
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BEcause they are just plastic, generic, smooth...nothing to them.
Especially if you ride them hard into turns with the clutch disengaged and the engine idling
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Especially if you ride them hard into turns with the clutch disengaged and the engine idling
Coming from the guy who had a Honda yard sale in someone's front lawn.
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Coming from the guy who had a Honda yard sale in someone's front lawn.
Too bad you don't know why. At least I didn't drop a Duc on the track
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Especially if you ride them hard into turns with the clutch disengaged and the engine idling
well at least they dont randomly slide out on big wide turns in the country
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well at least they dont randomly slide out on big wide turns in the country
who is they? Do they even ride out in the country?
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Your buddy must be scared because that doesn't happen with someone capable
Trust me I wasn't scared the Duc just doesn't have the power they claim. It might make similar peak HP to the BMW, but the bike has a terrible power curve. There is nothing scary about pinning the throttle on that bike in second gear and running it through 5th ... I have an s1000rr also and it makes the duc feel like a 750.. I have done a second gear roll on with my S1000rr and an 1199 with a rider that weighs a lot less than myself I walked him with easy. I love my duc but I didn't buy it for its straight line acceleration, or ergos. I also haven't drank the Ducati Kool-aid like some other ducati owners....
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Then what did you get the pannigale for? It's slower, poor ergos, an oven and expensive? Just for the looks? I'm legitimately curious why you would own a 1199 and s1000rr.
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Then what did you get the pannigale for? It's slower, poor ergos, an oven and expensive? Just for the looks? I'm legitimately curious why you would own a 1199 and s1000rr.
Looks for sure, its a sexy bike. Thats the only reason I'd get a Panigale. The s1000RR is a far superior bike.

Smokes CBR's too.
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who is they? Do they even ride out in the country?
at COTA track day I hardly saw any CBRs. Mostly zx10s,s1000rrs, and RSV4's in track plastics.
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http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/02/27...-dyno-testing/

"the standard bike’s 147.2 hp and 75.8 pound-feet of torque"

My naked bike gets that much power...LOL
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at COTA track day I hardly saw any CBRs. Mostly zx10s,s1000rrs, and RSV4's in track plastics.
Did you see a lot of nakeds, did you?
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