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Old 05-10-2007, 12:21 PM   #1
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Questions about trackdays??

I just track preped my Ducati and also bought an Ride Smart 125. I want to do atleast a few track days a year with these bikes...... but was a little disapointed with my 1st trackday experiance.
I did the LSTD TWS (Texas World Speedway) trackday and wasnt really happy with the attitudes of the people running the trackday, I guess I went with intensions of coming back a better motorcycle rider and I really cant say that happened... mostly I just paid $175 for about 1 1/2 hours on the track. (this thead is not a dig at LSTD's Im sure they have many satisfied customers I am just not one of them) Over all I got the feeling that the trackday was put on to that the LSTD people and their CMRA buddys could get together and get some track time in..... and unfortunatly they had to open in to the public.
So that said I guess my questions are..... Who all offers trackdays? And how would you rate thier program? Who offers the best track instruction? Who offers the best bang for your buck the most track time for the money? Who has the best attitude and realizes that the noobs that show up to the track are customer not just problems?
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Old 05-10-2007, 12:25 PM   #2
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Very good people that will help you and follow you with vid so you can see what you look like and what you need to work on. The track is near Angleton.
about 4.5 hours of actuall track time.
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I would recomend getting some 1 on 1 with an instructor for detailed instructions outside of the classroom.
It really helped me when Denny / James and the countless others would show me lines and tell me where I could use some correction.
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I can only speak good about LSTD. If you went on a Friday, then yeah, they don't have the beginner class and it is all about the CMRA race that weekend.

On Mondays though, they have a beginner class and they offer the $50 class which is highly recommended. At first, I didn't think that I learnt a lot at my first trackday because I was very intimitated; however, once I got back on the street, I was amazed at how much more confidence I had in turns and curves. I remembered reference points and lines.

When you go, make sure to pick an instructor and tell them your problems or concerns. I don't think there was one session where I didn't have Ronny find me and follow him for at least a few laps. He took me down to almost Round-Robin speed just so I'd relax and learn the lines.

Others to chose from is Buck Beasley's where I also had an excellent experience at the noob trackday or Ridesmart. I never ridden at Ridesmart but have a trackday credit that I hope to be able to use soon.
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I went to the TWS (Texas World Speedway) april 13th trackday, and I was in the "B" group. I was comfortable with the group honestly I was probably faster than 60% of that group. My biggest problem was that I got no instruction and that I really didnt feel like I was treated like a customer.
It sound like the Monday LSTD are a completly different feel from the Friday trackdays. so maybe I should reserve my opinion untill after I try a moday trackday.
Im not looking for someone to hold my hand I just want to come away from the track a better rider
And Yes I am in Midland.... Basicly its a long drive no matter what track I go to. WE do have a Kart track here that is perfect for little bikes... And I think with a little practice my RS125 will go well also. Its nice to have that little track becuase I get ALOT of track time Probably atleast 5-6 hours a week

Tom I assume that is an 817?? I would like to talk to you about this more when is a good time to call?
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It sound like the Monday LSTD are a completly different feel from the Friday trackdays. so maybe I should reserve my opinion untill after I try a moday trackday.
Do a Monday trackday in the C group with the class. I am positive you won't regret it!
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As Tom said, could be CMRA weekend thing.
Then you were just at the wrong first trackday.

My personal experience with LSTD was great.
Maybe cause I know a lot of people there.
Talk to Tom and I would say at least give them another chance.

There are few other trackday organizations within reach.
Try them all and do whatever works the best for you.
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A track day is just that, track time. Anything else you get is extra. I'm not sticking up for LSTD, I'm not sure I've ridden with them though I may have at some point. I personally don't like instruction when I don't ask for it, I had a problem with that when I started going to the track. With some organizations like NESBA they have "control riders" constantly fluttering around, signaling you, bringing you into the pits to talk to you, you can't pass them without getting waved by etc.. I never really liked it, I wanted to work on things on my own, it's just how I am. When I want help I pick a person who I think would be good and go ask them.

So basically, unless you asked one of the guys running it for help and they said " off n00b" I don't think you should complain too much. Just ask, most people find it quite flattering to be asked for help, I know I do.
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HEY I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YA.
If I'm signed up for sprints on a CMRA race weekend.
Do I still need to regester and pay for a trackday for the Friday prior?
Or is there a break in price for pre-race day tuning?
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Originally Posted by Kingsnake1650
I just track preped my Ducati and also bought an Ride Smart 125. I want to do atleast a few track days a year with these bikes...... but was a little disapointed with my 1st trackday experiance.
I did the LSTD TWS (Texas World Speedway) trackday and wasnt really happy with the attitudes of the people running the trackday, I guess I went with intensions of coming back a better motorcycle rider and I really cant say that happened... mostly I just paid $175 for about 1 1/2 hours on the track. (this thead is not a dig at LSTD's Im sure they have many satisfied customers I am just not one of them) Over all I got the feeling that the trackday was put on to that the LSTD people and their CMRA buddys could get together and get some track time in..... and unfortunatly they had to open in to the public.
So that said I guess my questions are..... Who all offers trackdays? And how would you rate thier program? Who offers the best track instruction? Who offers the best bang for your buck the most track time for the money? Who has the best attitude and realizes that the noobs that show up to the track are customer not just problems?
I'll cut through the drama and offer pointers.

1) Do RideSmart track days, they are the best bang for your buck. For $135 you get track time aswell as in-class instruction.

LSTD is already expensive at $175, and if you want in-class instruction you gotta pay $50 more :eh: .

2) RideSmart is more like a School, and from your initial post in this thread - that's what you need. Schooling on the track.

3) LSTD is good when it comes to limiting people and running in a more organized way - but don't expect in class instruction without paying the extra $$$, however i've always found "most - not all, but most" of their instructors very kind and helpful. Just go up and ask them. Carbon R1 is an LSTD instructor and a true MotoHoustonion, ask him to follow you around and give you pointers. He'll be a great help to you.

4) RideSmart treats all their track days the same way, there's no "Oh on Fridays..Oh on Mondays.."

5) If you were faster then 60% of the guys in your B Group then maybe you should get some one on one with Ty Howard (a step above the in-class instruction). I highly recommend him.
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I went to the TWS (Texas World Speedway) april 13th trackday, and I was in the "B" group. I was comfortable with the group honestly I was probably faster than 60% of that group. My biggest problem was that I got no instruction and that I really didnt feel like I was treated like a customer.
It sound like the Monday LSTD are a completly different feel from the Friday trackdays. so maybe I should reserve my opinion untill after I try a moday trackday.
Im not looking for someone to hold my hand I just want to come away from the track a better rider
And Yes I am in Midland.... Basicly its a long drive no matter what track I go to. WE do have a Kart track here that is perfect for little bikes... And I think with a little practice my RS125 will go well also. Its nice to have that little track becuase I get ALOT of track time Probably atleast 5-6 hours a week

Tom I assume that is an 817?? I would like to talk to you about this more when is a good time to call?

this bothers me just a bit, if at anytime with LSTD (or any other org.) you feel you have a question or need some help please find any rider wearing a blue jersey these guys are instructors/control riders. We make our presence known in all rider levels.

We are there to help anyone in need. You did happen to come on a race weekend as stated above. NOT the perfect day for a noob to start on the track.

some tend to get out of hand or ride dangerously, this is where the control rider portion comes in handy, we evaluate and make a decision based on what we see from you the riders.

some need or would like help in certain and in some cases in ALL areas of their riding abilities and this is where the instructor portion comes in handy. Ask you will be helped without a hitch. I love helping people, even before i was an "instructor" i tried to help everyone that i could, while like Vfracer-r, i'm not the fastest guy on the track but we are experienced and would be more than happy to share our knowledge.

Like blackwidow said, if you feel that you are faster than most and still need help then, LSTD has several Extremely fast people on staff to ask or you could sign up for a 1 on 1 with someone like John Haner,Ty howard, mike sanchez, or even Marcus Mcbain could help..

Instead of getting upset next time, just ask some questions. If you don't see anyone with a blue jersey, ask anyone to direct you to one of us, everyone knows us, or at least one of us.

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Instead of getting upset next time, just ask some questions. If you don't see anyone with a blue jersey, ask anyone to direct you to one of us, everyone knows us, or at least one of us.

I never said I was upset or mad about it... What I said was that I was disappointed with the trackday experiance. Really the lack of instruction was a minor point in my 1st post. Honestly it was more that attidude that was my problem.... That said I really dont want to get real deep into this on a public forum, Its bad for all of us. I plan on talking to Tom tonight and I will hold off on making judgment about LSTD untill after I talk to him
I really think that if I had gone to a trackday NOT on a race weekend it would have been a whole different experiance.... Atleast I hope.
I really dont want this thread to turn who like or hates LSTD Thread. I just want to know what all is out there and what might be better for me.
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I never said I was upset or mad about it... What I said was that I was disappointed with the trackday experiance. Really the lack of instruction was a minor point in my 1st post. Honestly it was more that attidude that was my problem.... That said I really dont want to get real deep into this on a public forum, Its bad for all of us. I plan on talking to Tom tonight and I will hold off on making judgment about LSTD untill after I talk to him
I really think that if I had gone to a trackday NOT on a race weekend it would have been a whole different experiance.... Atleast I hope.
I really dont want this thread to turn who like or hates LSTD Thread. I just want to know what all is out there and what might be better for me.
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With that attitude, I think you can make anything better experience.
Hope to see you soon at the track.
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i been to a few different track day organizations and here is my mentality when i get there......basically paid for time to use the track, expect no contact from the staff except for registration and tech. That way you dont expect anyhelp or feed back so any help is a bonus. =)
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