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Old 06-06-2014, 01:23 PM   #21
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Yep, Kawasaki frames never break. Right?

If welded properly, there shouldn't be an issue. Quite a few years back (around '02 or '03, IIRC) a friend's dad had just bought a new Goldwing 1800. There was a recall and he had to take the bike somewhere near Dallas (lived in Midland) so the bike could be fully disassembled, and all aluminum welds cut down and re-welded. Guess that was cheaper for Honda than replacing the frames.
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Watch over a good welder? Lol. The dude wouldn't know mig from tig as far as I can tell. What would he watch over the welder for? Lol. Everyone that is quick to say they wouldn't trust it doesn't know much about welding honestly. Something has been applied to that weld from what I can see. It's also extremely rare for a weld to fail in the manor this one appears to have failed. I would grind, bevel, and re weld. I could get an x ray shot for free. Maybe the op knows an rt hand that can help him out when the repair is done. If not, start looking for a clean frame to swap over to.
Exactly. We trust a lot more lives to things like this everyday.
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only issue here is to find a good welder,
, welds hold just about everything around us, heavy structures
high pressure pipes, the crack is on the weld, so the weld is ,
it should not break on the weld, it shall have more tensile strength than than base metal,
if it is the original weld, then all remaining welds should be inspected
if it is a new weld, then the welder suck donkey dirty , and inspect remaining welds (you just cant be too careful).

grind it, bevel, clean, weld and ndt, PRESTO
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Watch over a good welder? Lol. The dude wouldn't know mig from tig as far as I can tell. What would he watch over the welder for? Lol. Everyone that is quick to say they wouldn't trust it doesn't know much about welding honestly. Something has been applied to that weld from what I can see. It's also extremely rare for a weld to fail in the manor this one appears to have failed. I would grind, bevel, and re weld. I could get an x ray shot for free. Maybe the op knows an rt hand that can help him out when the repair is done. If not, start looking for a clean frame to swap over to.
Blue is correct. As a CWI Lvl II nde that weld could be repaired with the correct prep and weld and welder.

But yea why did it break to begin with?? Something vibrating, or the bike ever laid down?
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Can this cracked frame be repaired or welded? (pics inside)

Pester is Cwi/API also. I'm a 3 cert API. I'm sure we know a thing or 2 combined
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It's still intact and everything so I don't know serious it is and if it should be welded or scrapped.

You have to get that fixed. With the one side cracked, the other side is taking the full load of stress so it may fail which is no good for you. Aluminum gets rewelded all the time in motorsports but you will have to find someone that knows what they are doing. Jeff Naiser who owns NRC Racing does some really nice fabrication with aluminum. He is a drag racing guy but I would trust what he says if it can be fixed or has to be replaced.

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Repairing the weld is the least of your problems.

That part of the frame doesn't damage without other damage elsewhere. Doubt that the frame is straight anymore.

I'd get frame guys to look at it. Betting its toast though

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Normally that may be the case. Judging by this weld that isnt a certainty. This weld was to begin with.
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Normally that may be the case. Judging by this weld that isnt a certainty. This weld was to begin with.
I tried to point out that IF it is an FZ1, there is a thread about them cracking. The link was posted earlier.

OP - What bike make/model is this?


If it was a crappy weld from the factory, they will usually take care of it, even if bought used.
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From what I am seeing it is definately a linear indication.I don't see any seperation or shiny base metal in the indication but that could be from paint being applied to a crack. There is a difference in the color. To all my CWI/API brothers my question is could it be undercut? Without seeing it with my own eyes I can't make that call. The first thing I would do is PT it. If its deep it will bleed if not you're good. If it is a bleeder then I would have no problem grinding down to good metal and doing a prep, root and final PT and welding that bad boy up if it was mine. Without seeing it and knowing the history I can't make any call though so it's just my opinion from an ex welder turned inspector.
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It an Fz1. Common problem esp. With the 2006 model.
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From what I am seeing it is definately a linear indication.I don't see any seperation or shiny base metal in the indication but that could be from paint being applied to a crack. There is a difference in the color. To all my CWI/API brothers my question is could it be undercut? Without seeing it with my own eyes I can't make that call. The first thing I would do is PT it. If its deep it will bleed if not you're good. If it is a bleeder then I would have no problem grinding down to good metal and doing a prep, root and final PT and welding that bad boy up if it was mine. Without seeing it and knowing the history I can't make any call though so it's just my opinion from an ex welder turned inspector.
No point in a pt before welding. It's a crack. Clearly. Skip the bs and grind a bevel. From the pic it could easily be a cap only weld maybe laid too cold with a hollow bead. I don't think its undercut at all. I've been inspecting for 16 years
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wanna use my electron beam welder? i think its the only one in texas, there might be another one. gunna cost you though
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Watch over a good welder? Lol. The dude wouldn't know mig from tig as far as I can tell. What would he watch over the welder for? Lol. Everyone that is quick to say they wouldn't trust it doesn't know much about welding honestly. Something has been applied to that weld from what I can see. It's also extremely rare for a weld to fail in the manor this one appears to have failed. I would grind, bevel, and re weld. I could get an x ray shot for free. Maybe the op knows an rt hand that can help him out when the repair is done. If not, start looking for a clean frame to swap over to.
If you can find a good (professional) welder you can proverbially "stand-over-his-shoulder"
Figure of speech. It's even in quotes. I guess that if you didn't pick it up - maybe I should bring down the intellect level a notch or two. TMAW-GMAW isn't the point.
To be clear as beer - The meaning is, get him (welder dood) to care about his work because he understands his work is on the line now when it comes to safety, and you're wary.
But, Mr. Wave - I think we both said basically the same thing. If the weld isn't trustworty for whatever reason, even if it just freaks you to be riding on it - time for a Kaw. I just got a 2010 ZX10 Friday. Smoooooooth....
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PFirst get the frame checked. If is straight. Then get a good welder and get it done
No meaning to dump the frame for a weld.
Welds get repaired everyday. Just weld it and ride it
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If you can find a good (professional) welder you can proverbially "stand-over-his-shoulder"
Figure of speech. It's even in quotes. I guess that if you didn't pick it up - maybe I should bring down the intellect level a notch or two. TMAW-GMAW isn't the point.
To be clear as beer - The meaning is, get him (welder dood) to care about his work because he understands his work is on the line now when it comes to safety, and you're wary.
But, Mr. Wave - I think we both said basically the same thing. If the weld isn't trustworty for whatever reason, even if it just freaks you to be riding on it - time for a Kaw. I just got a 2010 ZX10 Friday. Smoooooooth....
Talk about my level. lol You're a idiot as far as I can tell. You talk out your and then refer to "my" level.
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