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Old 06-04-2014, 12:48 PM   #1
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Can this cracked frame be repaired or welded? (pics inside)

First off I know I should have caught this when buying it, but I've done business with the guy before and trusted him so I just took his word when he said everything was good with the frame.

It's a hairline crack at the where the frame is welded and it goes all the way around the frame weld. It's still intact and everything so I don't know serious it is and if it should be welded or scrapped.

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I dont see any reason it couldn't be fixed. I just inspect welds though. Im not a welder
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That's not a hairline crack, that's a plain old crack.

Can it be repaired? Yes.

Should it be repaired? Eh......
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May be easiest, cheapest, and safest to find another frame and transfer all parts. If you get it welded there's no telling what will happen down the road(future owners and such) and could result in a serious injury or death.
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It can be repaired, no problem. The problem is what caused it to crack in the first place. If it was a base metal defect, you would have to open it up pretty good to PT it and see if it's still there. Chances of getting someone to weld it, because it's a bike frame, no that's another story. If it was stripped down where I could get to both sides, I would fix it. Then again I have access to PT and Shearwave, so I'd know if the base metal was still good.
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Looks like a bad weld. It can be fix. Grind off old weld , and put a bevel on it.
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Old 06-04-2014, 01:54 PM   #10
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Yeah it can be fixed. How was the bike wrecked? Rider looped it doing a wheelie? Guessing from the sheared subframe bolt. The rest of the frame would have to be scanned to make sure there are no other cracks.
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Man aluminum is not that easy to work with, I had a similar weld repair done on my ninja and 3 months later the thing cracked again, it can be fixed but I wouldn't trust it over time.
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WTF did you do to get that?

If it was anyting half way normal, I'd consider contacting the mfg
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Wasn't me. I'm guessing he probably looped it. Anyone know of a reputable welder I can get a professional opinion from?
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Odd. I wouldn't ride that even after a repair as I would be concerned of the source cause. Long shot, but have Yamaha look at it.

Ducati replaced a bunch of frames in the 90's due to headstock cracks.

You never know, may be an issue they know about and may work with you on a new replacement frame.


Did I miss what caused it? Was the bike trashed at some point?

EDIT: What year and what model?
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Man aluminum is not that easy to work with, I had a similar weld repair done on my ninja and 3 months later the thing cracked again, it can be fixed but I wouldn't trust it over time.
Usually comes down to how clean they got the area round the weld before it was re-welded. I used to tig aluminum every day before I switched professions. It can surely be welded, but I would not recommend it.
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If it is an FZ-1, check here. Hard to tell from the pics.

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By the pix it doesn't really look like a 100% factory weld. Looks like a differnt color was put over the top. The left side looks like it was done by a robot, but the right side is all over the place. Crappy re-weld by hand??
Also, looks like there's something going on on top of the frame. I see dings or something. Did something more serious happen that you don't know about? I'd ask the seller. If he jerked you around - trade him for 5 Taliban leaders.....

If it's a re-weld already - new frame.

If it really is a failed factory weld, then getting a new frame is just buying the same weld process over again and that already failed. If you can find a good (professional) welder you can proverbially "stand-over-his-shoulder" to make sure it gets prepped correctly. He should know how to get it cleaned & beveled before the weld and make sure there's good penetration. It "can" be a much better weld than the factory.

Personally, I'd see if the next years frame would swap out and buy it new.
Then sell it and get a Kaw.
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Can this cracked frame be repaired or welded? (pics inside)

Watch over a good welder? Lol. The dude wouldn't know mig from tig as far as I can tell. What would he watch over the welder for? Lol. Everyone that is quick to say they wouldn't trust it doesn't know much about welding honestly. Something has been applied to that weld from what I can see. It's also extremely rare for a weld to fail in the manor this one appears to have failed. I would grind, bevel, and re weld. I could get an x ray shot for free. Maybe the op knows an rt hand that can help him out when the repair is done. If not, start looking for a clean frame to swap over to.
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