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Old 05-09-2007, 01:50 AM   #41
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It wasnt because it had more power than anything they had ever seen, its because it had a poorly built motor and tuned powerband. Its kinda like honda and thier v-tec. Its really not that great for any type of racing that you have no power through out the rpms and then all the sudden you have a huge increase in power in the uper rpm's. It just gives you a sensation of awesome power because it is less linear and more abrupt. If Kawi would have done it right then it may have could have been the best motor IMHO.

lol, the powerband is extremely linear. there is no huge rush of power anywhere.

here's the graph to an 05. note that it's in DIN HP, so peak is actually closer to 169, not 172.

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No doubt this new gixxer is awsome. Just look at the specs and you'll know its race ready (stock). Suzuki did a great job, i wonder how the competition is gonna respond next year? Are damper's gonna be standard on bikes? etc..
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No doubt this new gixxer is awsome. Just look at the specs and you'll know its race ready (stock). Suzuki did a great job, i wonder how the competition is gonna respond next year? Are damper's gonna be standard on bikes? etc..

I don't know of any literbike on the market that doesn't come stock with a steering damper.
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lol, the powerband is extremely linear. there is no huge rush of power anywhere.

here's the graph to an 05. note that it's in DIN HP, so peak is actually closer to 169, not 172.

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The map doesnt have any designation of what was actually on the dyno. Also none of them were the first runs. Wich leads me to believe they are not stock runs. I am talking straight from the factory. You said it yourself

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"Brutal and scary" were the words that most mag editors chose to describe the first gen 10r. I remember reading articles where the testers were shifting early, to stay out of the top of the powerband because the power was so violent.

gotta love that.
Without a big quick jump in horsepower you would not have a violent display of power. It would be a lot less noticeable. Think of it like nitrous kicking in but only a small shot. A sudden jump in horsepower is a lot more violent than a steady gain over the rpm range. That is why they were shifting early.
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The map doesnt have any designation of what was actually on the dyno. Also none of them were the first runs. Wich leads me to believe they are not stock runs. I am talking straight from the factory. You said it yourself



Without a big quick jump in horsepower you would not have a violent display of power. It would be a lot less noticeable. Think of it like nitrous kicking in but only a small shot. A sudden jump in horsepower is a lot more violent than a steady gain over the rpm range. That is why they were shifting early.

lol, ok man. i'll tell you this. i own one, and it's spent hours on the dyno. there is no sudden surge of power. it's just that in 04 when the bike debuted, while other bikes were falling off in power, it kept screaming to redline. the reason they shifted early wasn't to avoid a power spike. it was because the bike pulled so much harder than anything else when it came out. plain and simple. go read the old reviews for yourself and you'll see what i'm saying. i think the shifting early comments came from sportrider if i remember correctly.
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missed the edit....

meant to add, doesn't really matter what the mags say, they're ALL amazing bikes. i can't wait until 08 when the new 10r debuts, so we can have a fighting chance against the latest and greatest gixxer. hopefully it will do better in pro racing as well.
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lol, ok man. i'll tell you this. i own one, and it's spent hours on the dyno. there is no sudden surge of power. it's just that in 04 when the bike debuted, while other bikes were falling off in power, it kept screaming to redline. the reason they shifted early wasn't to avoid a power spike. it was because the bike pulled so much harder than anything else when it came out. plain and simple. go read the old reviews for yourself and you'll see what i'm saying. i think the shifting early comments came from sportrider if i remember correctly.
No doubt the 04-05 ZX10R are the nastiest liter bikes stock. I have seen some charts floating on ZX10R.net and kawiforums and they are well over 165+ rwhp stock!
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"Brutal and scary" were the words that most mag editors chose to describe the first gen 10r. I remember reading articles where the testers were shifting early, to stay out of the top of the powerband because the power was so violent.

gotta love that.

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lol, ok man. i'll tell you this. i own one, and it's spent hours on the dyno. there is no sudden surge of power. it's just that in 04 when the bike debuted, while other bikes were falling off in power, it kept screaming to redline. the reason they shifted early wasn't to avoid a power spike. it was because the bike pulled so much harder than anything else when it came out. plain and simple. go read the old reviews for yourself and you'll see what i'm saying. i think the shifting early comments came from sportrider if i remember correctly.
These statements are very contradicting. I wasnt bashing what you said about being a good engine or bike, I was describing the engine characteristics that you describe. I am not one brand specific. But it has always been know that Kawi's and Yamaha's are less refined than other brands. But they do have their advantages. Dont take what I post so personal, it was only to describe a characteristic that you posted.
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missed the edit....

meant to add, doesn't really matter what the mags say, they're ALL amazing bikes. i can't wait until 08 when the new 10r debuts, so we can have a fighting chance against the latest and greatest gixxer. hopefully it will do better in pro racing as well.
I can predict that it would have a similar tach/speedo as the zx6, less round, shorter dual pipes, less weight and faster than anything out there, yes including the busa and zx14.
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I can predict that it would have a similar tach/speedo as the zx6, less round, shorter dual pipes, less weight and faster than anything out there, yes including the busa and zx14.

you mean it'll be an 04 05 again?? lmao.

there's been some rumors floating around the last week or so about the new on on zx-10r.net. expect to see a 6r w/ a 10r's engine.
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you mean it'll be an 04 05 again?? lmao.

there's been some rumors floating around the last week or so about the new on on zx-10r.net. expect to see a 6r w/ a 10r's engine.
Nope, I don't think so. Dual pipe is the key element in reducing emission and retaining power. Don't be surprise when they have shorty like the motogp bikes.
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My dogs name is Gixxer too. lol Back from when i had my 05 gsxr. He is a 130lb and still growing brindle Bull Mastiff. Looks like a huge pitbull. lol

Anyways, i just read in the 07 shootout in cycleworld mag that the GSXR 1000 only put down 158.8hp at the rear wheel so the 185hp rumor i was hearing is obviously not true.

In a dyno run of the 07 zx10r, the 10 put down 165hp at the rear wheel. I did my research when i bought my bike. If you want some side by side stats, there is an online shootout report of dyno runs and track results that also lists the 10r as the leader of its class.

I would say the GSXR would be my 2nd choice and the cbr my 3rd. Never have been too crazy about yamaha.
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My dogs name is Gixxer too. lol Back from when i had my 05 gsxr. He is a 130lb and still growing brindle Bull Mastiff. Looks like a huge pitbull. lol

Anyways, i just read in the 07 shootout in cycleworld mag that the GSXR 1000 only put down 158.8hp at the rear wheel so the 185hp rumor i was hearing is obviously not true.

In a dyno run of the 07 zx10r, the 10 put down 165hp at the rear wheel. I did my research when i bought my bike. If you want some side by side stats, there is an online shootout report of dyno runs and track results that also lists the 10r as the leader of its class.

I would say the GSXR would be my 2nd choice and the cbr my 3rd. Never have been too crazy about yamaha.
Check out the new issue of Road Racing World. Great magazine, probably the only unbiased american mag out there. They have a 1000cc shoot out this month and all of them gave the ZX10R (07) a 10 for having the best motor and tranny.
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Edit to above post...

Forgot to say, the 165 was off a website i saw somewhere listing dyno runs. Owners of the 10r that have actually made it to a dyno run claim it makes more power than that. They claim it is closer to the 170 mark bone stock to the rear wheel.

The 10r has been and still is the leader of the litre bikes! 04-current, it has topped the charts being described as the BADDEST 1000 available. Honda and yamaha simply cant compete with it. Suzuki is competing and stepping up but still hasnt taken the #1 spot. Maybe next year but i doubt it.

As for the 600's comment about the cbr topping the charts, id like to know where that was read? The cbr is one of the slower bikes from what i have seen. The 636 was the leader and has been the leader of the 600 class for awhile now. The 07 6r is leading the charts for the 600 class from what i have seen so far as well. Kawi has it goin on on all their bikes hands down! Talk all the trash about them you want. At the end of the day, they are still out in front! lol
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Check out the new issue of Road Racing World. Great magazine, probably the only unbiased american mag out there. They have a 1000cc shoot out this month and all of them gave the ZX10R (07) a 10 for having the best motor and tranny.
SWEET!!! Im gonna go pick it up right now. Thanks for the info man! Other reviews were claiming similar results but i havent read that one yet.

I love my bike!! Only complaint, the stock dual exhaust is a little bulky and nasty looking which everyone will agree. Almost any aftermarket system takes care of that though... :icon_bigg
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