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Old 05-08-2007, 11:36 AM   #21
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I found out that if you have a 1k, you have to wind the bike down or the higher revs will keep you goin str8 lol...
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:32 PM   #22
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Somebody's been listening to Fast Freddie's commentary on Speed...

None of this information is really helpful to our track noobs though.
I don't know who Fast Freddie is. I read that in a couple of books and other places and it works for me (I'm far from pro). Noctem specifically asked about gear selections for the track. I thought I'd give my .02 technical advice rather than just telling him 'just listen to the instructor'.
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Somebody's been listening to Fast Freddie's commentary on Speed...

The pros have that issue, most amatures do not. A lot of time, amatures are scrubbing off more speed in the corners which will slow the corner speed and keep the rpm's down- in my experience, FWIW, and my $.02... :icon_bigg

None of this information is really helpful to our track noobs though.

Stick with your instructor's critique and have fun with the day! These more technical portions will come to you with seat time, and may never be an issue for you. I know I never think about such things while I'm riding (like tire diameters and what gear I'm in). Once you get comfortable with your bike and get some good seat time, you'll develope a rythym and just ride. You can mess with gearing and shyte like that later- you'll have plenty of time ahead of you for that stuff.
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I found out that if you have a 1k, you have to wind the bike down or the higher revs will keep you goin str8 lol...
Hangoff the bike more.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:10 PM   #25
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I don't think that's all I said, but whatever.

Just coincidental the FF was harping on the same thing during the races this weekend that you metioned- I guess it was just coincidence.

While you can get a lot of information from "reading technical articles", I think you'd agree that gearing should be no-where near the top of a new rider's concerns at his first track day :eh: Especially to the extent of the information you were giving. , if I thought about that every time I cornered (or even once), I'd be wasting time when I could be thinking about more important things...

I took the initial post as his inquiry (sp?) about what gear he should be in in corners or how to gear the bike. Simply, that can will be taught or shown much more easily than learned here, other than some simple pointers.

I would much sooner ship a noob off to an instructor or well-rounded experienced rider for hands on help, rather than try to direct specifics on the bbs. But I guess that's just me...


The best adive I ever recieved was to just ask one of the faster guys at the track. Nobody is going to bite you for asking.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:23 PM   #26
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I've got it under control now, this was just something I learned a while back...hangin off isn't really the issue though, if the revs are high (on my bike atleast) and I hadn't wound it down, it will push out more which is due to more power going to the rear...I hang off but honestly, I think people focus too much on hanging off or atleast hang off way more than is necessary for most cases. The most I'll do is take my cheek off the edge of the seat (i.e. Right hand curve, left cheek at very edge of seat, left shoulder foward)...I just think folks are trying to touch their knee to the ground than actually accomplishing anything as far as actually leaning the bike. I, personally, would much rather tuck the knee and get her all the way over, again, only if necessary...
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I've got it under control now, this was just something I learned a while back...hangin off isn't really the issue though, if the revs are high (on my bike atleast) and I hadn't wound it down, it will push out more which is due to more power going to the rear...I hang off but honestly, I think people focus too much on hanging off or atleast hang off way more than is necessary for most cases. The most I'll do is take my cheek off the edge of the seat (i.e. Right hand curve, left cheek at very edge of seat, left shoulder foward)...I just think folks are trying to touch their knee to the ground than actually accomplishing anything as far as actually leaning the bike. I, personally, would much rather tuck the knee and get her all the way over, again, only if necessary...
Whatever you think works but on that model R1 you need to get your off of it. That is speaking from experience and all bikes do what you are saying... yours just tries to do it quicker because of the power but riding higher in the RPMs can help with this issue as well because the torque curve goes down.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:35 PM   #28
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Hey just keep talking I am listening and learning, maybe this next time I will be better at the track. You going to be there this monday 14th ??? Hey I also need to get with ya on the back protector, just been busy sorry

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I don't think that's all I said, but whatever.

Just coincidental the FF was harping on the same thing during the races this weekend that you metioned- I guess it was just coincidence.

While you can get a lot of information from "reading technical articles", I think you'd agree that gearing should be no-where near the top of a new rider's concerns at his first track day :eh: Especially to the extent of the information you were giving. , if I thought about that every time I cornered (or even once), I'd be wasting time when I could be thinking about more important things...

I took the initial post as his inquiry (sp?) about what gear he should be in in corners or how to gear the bike. Simply, that can will be taught or shown much more easily than learned here, other than some simple pointers.

I would much sooner ship a noob off to an instructor or well-rounded experienced rider for hands on help, rather than try to direct specifics on the bbs. But I guess that's just me...
Must've been coincidence. I haven't watched a race since Feb. Maybe I should be a commentator.

The guy specifically asked about gearing for corners (it's not his first trackday). Personally I prefer more information than less. It's important for me to know how the bike works and why it behaves a certain way. If someone doesn't care for the scientific/mechanical explainations and prefers to go for 'feel' then that's ok too. But like you said, the latter can't be learned on an internet forum so I doubt that's the answer that he was looking for.

All that being said .... I'm still slow .... and bored. :icon_bigg
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Whatever you think works but on that model R1 you need to get your off of it. That is speaking from experience and all bikes do what you are saying... yours just tries to do it quicker because of the power but riding higher in the RPMs can help with this issue as well because the torque curve goes down.
What I do works for me, to each his own. I DO however ride high rpms as it carries me through the corner, I think you missed when I said without having wound it -the engine- down. I realize all bikes pull given the aforementioned circumstances, mine just happens to pull harder...

I watch these guys for guidance on how much to hang off:

He's off but not that much AND he is tucking the knee-as do I. That's about how much I get off when I am leaning btw, not saying I get as low as him (rear sets wouldn't allow it either) but you get the point, but cheek still contacting the seat. Not necessary, in this case, to get all the way off, , he probably wouldn't be leaned that far over if he did get all the way off...DISCLAIMER: I am not nearly as fast as these guys, just making a point about leaning and hanging off te bike
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Gearing in corners?

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What I do works for me, to each his own. I DO however ride high rpms as it carries me through the corner, I think you missed when I said without having wound it -the engine- down. I realize all bikes pull given the aforementioned circumstances, mine just happens to pull harder...

I watch these guys for guidance on how much to hang off:

He's off but not that much AND he is tucking the knee-as do I. That's about how much I get off when I am leaning btw, not saying I get as low as him (rear sets wouldn't allow it either) but you get the point, but cheek still contacting the seat. Not necessary, in this case, to get all the way off, , he probably wouldn't be leaned that far over if he did get all the way off...DISCLAIMER: I am not nearly as fast as these guys, just making a point about leaning and hanging off te bike
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I don't really want to argue bud but the last time I checked you and I are not on a 2007 $100k superbike or a Million Dollar Motogp machine. That said... I ride the way you speak of on my 2k6 GSX-R but I also have spent some money on suspension and other goodies. As far as your bike goes.... I am not sure what kind of suspenion you are running but from my experience with your model bike... getting off the seat a little more helps especially if you are on stock equiment but again whatever... I don't care to help people over the web much because everybody seems to know everything anyways. So lets all go back to watching the races and thinking are equipment and skills are just as great as our heros but if you find yourself at the track stop by and we can figure out what works best.
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I would suspect sticky tires help a lot............
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I don't really want to argue bud but the last time I checked you and I are not on a 2007 $100k superbike or a Million Dollar Motogp machine. That said... I ride the way you speak of on my 2k6 GSX-R but I also have spent some money on suspension and other goodies. As far as your bike goes.... I am not sure what kind of suspenion you are running but from my experience with your model bike... getting off the seat a little more helps especially if you are on stock equiment but again whatever... I don't care to help people over the web much because everybody seems to know everything anyways. So lets all go back to watching the races and thinking are equipment and skills are just as great as our heros but if you find yourself at the track stop by and we can figure out what works best.
Alrighty bud Again, to each his own...but I kinda mentioned that I am not nearly as fast as the guys I posted, guess you missed that too. Anywho, whatever...do what ya do and I will do the same Sorry for jacking your thread Noctem

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It depends on the speed of the corner too- I don't hang off as much on fast corners as I do in slower corners for instance. The pros do that too, just like some lean angles : speed.

When my knee touches down, I pick it up too- the only time I have any pressure on my knee down is when I'm getting in to trouble and need to get the back tire off the edge more.
Excellent point, Everybody seems to forget that unless you are at the front of the pack setting the pace then every time you go through a corner your line and body position will probably have to adjust to compensate for other riders. :eh:
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It depends on the speed of the corner too- I don't hang off as much on fast corners as I do in slower corners for instance. The pros do that too, just like some lean angles : speed.

When my knee touches down, I pick it up too- the only time I have any pressure on my knee down is when I'm getting in to trouble and need to get the back tire off the edge more.
We are in exact agreement. And I did say that some situation require different approaches to the various inputs necessary when incurve...

and yea, I always felt taht draggin your knee wasn't a good thing becauise of the fact that it creates friction, I can see using it to sense where you asre but to drag it seems foolish...
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maybe i am getting a bit ahead of myself on this whole gearing thing but i tend to do that. like most of you said, i just need more track time. i just want to be as good as i can as fast as i can.
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I don't think anyone here is claiming to 'know everything'. It's an internet forum .... where things are debated and information is shared. Otherwise we'd have one thread that simply says 'Go try it'. What good would that be?
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Nice spelling too (edit button)
I think you are being facetious so (Do correct me if I am wrong). I hate the stinkin' edit button thing, I type in a hurry so I my bad on the spelling errors...:eh:
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Start that thread, I'll argue on that one with ya!

When are you going to come get those 090's to try out Dennis? They're still in my shop, collecting dust...
I don't know. Hopefully sometime soon. I don't see too many trackdays happening this year with TMGP going on.
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