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Old 05-26-2014, 10:07 PM   #1
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Question 1972 Kawasaki H2 Cafe Racer - Need Professional Help MH!!!

I bought this bike on eBay a couple years back, you may have seen it in pictures in a Cafe Racer mag or website, I think it was featured on an episode of Cafe Racer TV when it was being built. It's a 1972 Kawasaki H2 750 two-stroke triple engine (allegedly a 140 HP drag-bike motor built by Paul Gast) put into a 1989 Suzuki GSXR 1100 frame with the suspension adapted from a Ducati Hypermotard 1100 (not sure what year). It as built by Alan Bernard from Santiago Choppers in Florida (in case you're considering a bike from them...wouldn't recommend). A bit of a frankenracer all-in-all, a good concept, but don't let the pretty face fool you, she's got some issues.

I'm reaching out to hire the services one one of our many talented bike builders / modifiers / customizers in the Houston area to get the many issues with this bike fixed and get it to the top level it can potentially be...or at least get it out of my dining room and street-legal where I can ride it (which is what I bought it for in the first place).

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The short list of the issues is below, the pics are the ones which I originally sent to the guy I bought it from to show all the problems that I was unhappy about...I didn't receive much of a reply (go figure). The bike looks great, but isn't engineered at all.

For starters, it's missing the left-side motor-mount on the transmission...probably the most critical motor mount of all as it holds the engine in place against the chain's tension:

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Next, the chain doesn't align well with the frame so it rubs top & bottom:

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It needs a front brake reservoir, kill switch, turn signals, and I'd like a tach / speedo (like one of those from Dakota Digital or Koso..something like that):

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Also needs a key-switch to actually ride around in town! Not sure what the other switch does, possibly the high-beam.

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The rear-sets really need to be relocated, they're too far back for comfort / operability, plus they don't clear the kick-start on the right or the exhaust on the left.

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Like I said, that's the short list. The cabling needs to be re-worked as there's no tie-downs like an OEM bike, and the cables just rub everywhere. Presently the throttle cables aren't screwed into the carbs, they just have blind ferrules attached, so that will need to be re-cabled. I'm looking for a proposal / time / cost estimate by one of our awesome moto-businesses on the forum who can install / correct / re-do this to where's it actually functions as it looks like it should. I'll gladly bring it by for inspection / ideas / proposals. I unfortunately didn't buy the bike with the intention of it being a project, and after looking at the issues, really need some professional help anyway.

Anyone interested in a project?
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Old 05-27-2014, 05:26 AM   #2
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Shame you can't ride it. I hope you didn't have to pay too much for it
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Your best bet will Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited. He is also a builder if I recall correctly and can fix that bike easy.
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looks like the left side shift lever rest on the exhaust to. beautiful bike sucks to hear you cant ride it
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Old 05-27-2014, 09:37 AM   #5
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good looking bike. . .poorly executed build. I'd be off if all of that wasn't clearly stated in the sellers description.
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While I think Patrick is a of a mechanic, this to me seems more like one-off fab stuff than repair. In my mind, your best bet is going to be Andy at Metric Cycles in the heights. He seems to have a better selection of machine shop and welding tools which appears to be what you need.

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One other guy you might try. Randy at Lonestar Metalworks in Spring Branch. He is primarily a welder but does a lot of custom bike fabrications. They guy is a master welder
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There is a local forum member here that does stuff like this.
If you want his phone number, PM me.
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Not really what I would do. These guys are neat, but it would take much longer for the OP to get the work done. Plus this is more of a community shop of hobbyists, not professionals.
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Cool bike. I hope you get it straight.
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The guys at blip are cool as . If you want to stop by for advice or pointers give them a call. If you want to have someone do it for you call on cycle sports.

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good looking bike. . .poorly executed build. I'd be off if all of that wasn't clearly stated in the sellers description.
Yeah, I was ! I tried to return it, get some money back...something. In the end, there isn't much recourse you have as far as motorcycles are concerned with eBay, all of their 'guarantees' are designed around car sales. Buyer beware I guess.
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A friend of mine sent me the link to this post saying that you were in need of help. I work for Ace motor works. We are a shop in the heights that actually deals with a lot of these situations. Stop by some time. 927 Winston st. Houston, tx 713 864 7730
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The repairs are straight forward in that it is clear what has to be done, except for the rear sets.

Where can they go on this bike? Those expansion chambers are gonna be a problem for wherever they end up.

That bike looks slick, too bad it needed so much finish work. Pretty shamful for a shop to sell it with those major issues.
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Moving the rear sets will be far easier than reworking the exhaust, but I have a feeling that those pipes aren't correct for the (allegedly) built engine in the first place. Building new triples (I assume there are 3 pipes, correct?) won't be cheap by any stretch of the imagination. The kickstart lever can be reworked to clear the brake lever, or the brake lever could be replaced with a shorter unit. It almost looks as if you have holes drilled for the missing engine mount bolt but it appears as if the mounting bracket is MIA. I hope you get this thing sorted out...a 140HP 750cc 2 stroke triple is going to make for an interesting experience the first time you get "on the pipe"!
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Wow, thanks for all the responses! I knew we had some great fab talent in Houston, I didn't realize we had so much! Yeesch... I regret shopping for my Cafe Racer desires online...should have just had one built here! Chubby Racer is right though, this will require some machining capability I think, as that engine mount is going to be a bit tricky...there's no easy spot to mount it to handily (probably why the builder just left it). Anyway, I have some calls to make it looks like. Thanks!
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Moving the rear sets will be far easier than reworking the exhaust, but I have a feeling that those pipes aren't correct for the (allegedly) built engine in the first place. Building new triples (I assume there are 3 pipes, correct?) won't be cheap by any stretch of the imagination. The kickstart lever can be reworked to clear the brake lever, or the brake lever could be replaced with a shorter unit. It almost looks as if you have holes drilled for the missing engine mount bolt but it appears as if the mounting bracket is MIA. I hope you get this thing sorted out...a 140HP 750cc 2 stroke triple is going to make for an interesting experience the first time you get "on the pipe"!
The rear-sets are a scabbed-on set of Gilles, no idea what bike they were originally made for, I have a feeling there may be a set that will come pretty close to fitting the original mounting spots, may still need some adjustment brackets to clear the swing arm....still that would put them in a better spot than where they are. The holes you can see are where the sidestand is currently fit...it may be a good bracket spot though, the material is pretty thick there. The original engine brackets are still fit to the frame, they're just more in the center, and not being used for the most part...so there's some options.

I've thought about that first 'on the pipe' experience...

....I'll have to e-a-s-e into it.
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Back in my sand dragging days I piloted a few built H2's. You better hold on to your nuts.
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