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Old 05-12-2014, 04:56 PM   #21
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I basically ran around a 2:30 +/- 1/2 seconds at TWS (Texas World Speedway) (in level 1). I've done plenty of trackdays on bigger bikes in level 2, but bumped myself back down to level 1 for the smaller bike.

Assuming you are predictable and your lines are decent, trying to figure out when I should bump myself to level 2 on a smaller bike. I want to make sure I'm carrying enough speed to not hold people up in 2, and not to get packed in any longer straight. So I guess the more important question is what times should I aim for to break into level 2 on a 250.

I don't mind being in level 1 at all, it's fun to actually get to pass people, but I have no friends to tow me around to try to improve.
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Old 05-12-2014, 05:05 PM   #22
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Or I guess the point I'm trying to ask is let's say the Limit for level 2 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) is 2:30. Is 2:35 for a 250 ok since it is a "slower bike" or should the 250 still aim for 2:30.

Again assuming all things same, body position, lines, etc.
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Not sure what your asking...you could be fine in lvl 2 if you are predictable. Just get with an instructor next track day and you can get evaluated...

Just get the right info out their...come play with us on the 250s if you want.
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Not sure what your asking...you could be fine in lvl 2 if you are predictable. Just get with an instructor next track day and you can get evaluated...

Just get the right info out their...come play with us on the 250s if you want.

I think laptimes are one factor in to bump up to level 2 and it should not be disregarded. So my question is, is there different standards for a 250 vs a 600 in terms of lap times?
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If you are smooth and predictable then it shouldn't matter how slow you are. The fast people will get around. With you being on a 250 you can't hold people up the straights by not letting them pass with your massive power. If you go with ridesmart then ask a instructor to follow you and see what they think. You can probably do the same thing with the others but I don't know.
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Not saying times are completely worth less but people worry about them to much and forget about the basics.
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I think laptimes are one factor in to bump up to level 2 and it should not be disregarded. So my question is, is there different standards for a 250 vs a 600 in terms of lap times?
You are going to get passed all day long in level 2. You just need to get use to it and hold your line. If you are uncomfortable with being passed on the straights by faster bikes then stay in level 1.
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Well put Craig!
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You 250 guys...I swear :-) are these things really that fun? So many people jumping ship on big bikes and moving to 250's. I gotta be missing something. Closing speeds are the major issue. As long as you are predictable then yu should be fine in level 2. Dont lose sight on what predictable is though. When you are behind some one setting up for a pass predictable should be what you eexpect the guy in front of you to do. If you aren't then you can get people in some serious trouble. Stay smooth and be predictable and you should be fine.
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You 250 guys...I swear :-) are these things really that fun? So many people jumping ship on big bikes and moving to 250's. I gotta be missing something. Closing speeds are the major issue. As long as you are predictable then yu should be fine in level 2. Dont lose sight on what predictable is though. When you are behind some one setting up for a pass predictable should be what you eexpect the guy in front of you to do. If you aren't then you can get people in some serious trouble. Stay smooth and be predictable and you should be fine.
You learn a lot from a smaller bike. You are missing out on all the fun.
1. It's cheaper
2. You don't have to break
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You are going to get passed all day long in level 2. You just need to get use to it and hold your line. If you are uncomfortable with being passed on the straights by faster bikes then stay in level 1.

True at TWS (Texas World Speedway)


But at msrh its passing drills for me lol!!
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When you have good body position and are starting to pass more guys in level one then try level 2.
Please explain how body position has ANYTHING to do with lap times.
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Big body racing don't give a about no moto gp wanna be leaning off no motorscooter.
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Sometimes I cross up and stick my leg out. Lol.
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Big body racing don't give a about no moto gp wanna be leaning off no motorscooter.
It's a minor pet peeve of mine. I've had discussions with various riders, some of them "leaders" of different groups.

Regarding newer riders, many seem to think it is almost ALL about body position, even on the STREET. My take is that it is MUCH more important to get people COMFORTABLE on their bike and on the track. Holding their lines, braking and accelerating smoothly, etc. As their speed increases, body position somewhat naturally follows.

I can't tell you the number of people I have followed that are clipping apexes WAY too early due to outstanding "body positioning" at a snail's pace (street and track). I call them Tron riders.

I'm no Rossi, but I run a fairly decent pace and according to the BP followers, I should probably be stuck in the beginner's level. They may have a point, now that I think about it...
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dear staton,

I didn't want to have to be the one to tell you this, but...

you meet the nicest people on a honda. in level 1.

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I ran a 1:58 on my 250 saturday at MSRH, its been a few weeks but I ran 2:17 at world.
Was this with or without your walker?
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dear staton,

I didn't want to have to be the one to tell you this, but...

you meet the nicest people on a honda. in level 1.

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Dear Tron Rider,

You had me at "Honda".

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Mongo,

Most of the kids never saw Sheene, Schwantz, Doohan, or more recently Elias ride a bike.

My BP is , but it doesn't slow me down.....

And to the lad that asked are 250's really that fun. Go do an ME with CMRA. You will have answered your own question by the 3rd turn.
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