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Old 04-23-2014, 09:06 AM   #1
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How to get past mental barriers?

I'm doing my first track day on May 4th at Mugello Circuit. I'm still a newb, been riding just over a year now. Hopefully I'll be doing many more and I plan on getting a dedicated track bike in the future.

Anyway, back on topic.

I have a CBR1100xx, a pretty good sized bike(heavier/longer than a 'Busa)

I have it pretty well set up; Racetech fork internals, Ohlins shock, Q3's, Good Brakes. It would seem to me that the limiting factor for my bike is the rider.

Now, how do you get past the mental block of tipping the thing over and going around turns like you should?

I spent a day with a rider coach during a sportbike class and I was told that I wasn't the fastest person there that day but I had the best technique and I was the smoothest. It seems like I have a good starting point I just can't get past the mental barrier of just pushing the handlebars and getting the thing tipped over so I tend to run corners wide.

Do I psych myself up?

Do I just keep building little by little?

What were some tricks you did when you were a newb that help you now?
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Old 04-23-2014, 09:13 AM   #2
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Build little by little. Get as much seat time on the track as you can. Speed and lean angle will come with time. Definitely don't just go charging into a turn and push the handle bars, hoping you will make it. I'm still a noob since I have been to the track 4 times, but I will repeat some advice I have gotten.

Each session pick one or two corners then each lap try to go just a little bit faster. For example in turn 7( I think I counted right) of the full course you go in at 80 mph then the next lap try 81mph. No one expects you to be looking at the speedo while doing this, just to show you to increase your speed in small increments. Same thing with braking, pick a marker to brake at, if you don't overshoot your line brake 3ft later and so on.

Also if you live in Italy what are you doing on a Houston forum? I have no problem with it just curious. Good luck at the track and keep the rubber side down. Remember there are no trophy or winners at track days.
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if you live in Italy what are you doing on a Houston forum?
I'm moving to Houston in 2 months. And, this forum has the most traffic and most people willing to engage in intelligent dialog than any other I've been on in a long time.

Thanks for the tips too.
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this forum has the most traffic and most people willing to engage in intelligent dialog than any other I've been on in a long time.
holy ****

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I'm moving to Houston in 2 months. And, this forum has the most traffic and most people willing to engage in intelligent dialog than any other I've been on in a long time.

Thanks for the tips too.
You need to find better forums...

Welcome and hope to see you out at the track when you get here(I'll be on the best Italian bike). We have some pretty good tracks around and several good track day companies.
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It's all about seat time, and approaching your boundaries until the boundaries feel comfortable, and then going a step further until you find your new boundary. Some people get it immediately...some people don't.
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Just take the time to learn the lines, as the day progresses you will become more familiar with the track and your confidence and speed in increase.
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Did not read everything but here is my advice...

1. Learn the line
2. Make very minute incremental changes and work forward.

Crashing creates new hurdles that destroy your confidence and no telling how long it takes for you to come back from it. I personally crashed last year around this time and dislocated my shoulder and have not turned a respectable lap since....
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:14 PM   #15
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A lot of the time I KNOW the bike can lean more and I KNOW the bike will go faster through a certain corner. I trust my tires, I trust the bike. I just can't make myself do it.
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Well since you said your first track day is on may 4th right? So all your previous experience is on the public roads? I have a hard time pushing it on the roads because of all the uncertainties that are out there. On the track you say every piece of pavement within the last 2 minutes. For the most part everyone is on the same line going the same direction and paying attention to their surroundings. The fact that it's as controlled environment as it can be helps to know that I can go faster, lean a little more and make better lap times. I'm lucky enough to have a buddy with close to the same setup and can go much faster than me, which means I know my bike can go much faster.

Go out and have fun listen to the instructors, speed will come with time.
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working with an instructor at the track is the best

you follow them, they follow you, repete

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My advice?
Think of the track as a winding road that makes a loop. Forget that it's a "race track".
You're not there to race. You're there to have a fun day and go home in one piece.
As you gain experience, listen to others, read "A Twist of the Wrist", learn more confidence in yourself and your bike... lean angles and speed will happen naturally. Dragging your knee should be a result of proper technique not a goal in itself.

So you will come to hate the flat coastal Plains like we all do and wish you were back in Italy, lol
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Not sure how trackdays and track organization work there, but here you would not need to worry too much about mental barriers on your first track day. You will not be "allowed to push it" so to speak. Here you would spend the first half of the track day in an assigned group with an assigned instructor and will mostly be learning the lines on the track... for your first couple of session you would be in an organized line being led by and the leading an instructor with your group. Then in the afternoon you would be allowed to ride independent of the line, but would not be allowed to do much in the way of passing and there would be instructors/control riders watching you and if you look like you are in trouble, they will single you out and make you follow them...mental should not be an issue your first day...
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There's not much organization here. You pay 240euro, you go on the track. That simple. Not even a tech inspection.
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