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Old 04-22-2014, 02:52 PM   #1
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EPA + Ethanol - I can't believe they're admitting it.

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The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has publicly acknowledged that ethanol in gasoline can damage internal combustion engines by increasing exhaust temperatures and indirectly causing component failures, the American Motorcyclist Association reports.

The EPA statements are found in a rule proposal issued by the Federal Trade Commission regarding a new label for pumps that supply fuel blends high in ethanol.

According to the EPA, "[e]thanol impacts motor vehicles in two primary ways. First ... ethanol enleans the [air/fuel] ratio (increases the proportion of oxygen relative to hydrocarbons) which can lead to increased exhaust gas temperatures and potentially increase incremental deterioration of emission control hardware and performance over time, possibly causing catalyst failure. Second, ethanol can cause materials compatibility issues, which may lead to other component failures.

"In motorcycles and nonroad products [using E15 and higher ethanol blends], EPA raised engine-failure concerns from overheating."

These EPA statements, contained in the FTC document, back the long-held position of the AMA.

"The American Motorcyclist Association has fought the distribution of E15 fuel blends in an effort to protect motorcycle and all-terrain vehicles from the damage that ethanol causes," said Wayne Allard, AMA vice president for government relations. "Now the EPA acknowledges that ethanol itself is harmful to emissions hardware and other components on all motor vehicles. It is time for the federal government to pause, take a hard look at this product and change its entire approach to ethanol in fuels."

E15 is a gasoline formulation that contains up to 15 percent ethanol by volume.

None of the estimated 22 million motorcycles and ATVs currently in operation can use fuels with blends higher than 10 percent ethanol. Doing so could void the manufacturer's warranty, in addition to causing damage to the vehicle.

The AMA applauded the EPA's decision in its proposed rule to roll back the requirement for wider distribution and use of E15 under its Renewable Fuel Standard.

The AMA also is concerned about the continued availability of E10 blends and E0 fuels -- gasoline with zero ethanol content -- if E15 is allowed to permeate the marketplace.
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But but, don't constant repairs boost economy and provide jobs in this economic "recovery"?
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if it worked like that we should all just go out side and trash everything we have.......................

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You pump a lot of E15, do you?
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I wouldn't expect any less from the US government. " it up worse while trying to make it better" should be our national motto.

Wish they would just leave alone.
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You pump a lot of E15, do you?
You're reaching.

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You're reaching.

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No, you can't read the story you posted. I'm riding Saturday, I'm not anonymous, come on out and play
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As I said...
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ethanol. It takes a gallon of gas or diesel to make a gallon of ethanol. Once we all grasp this simple concept we can hopefully do away with this farm subsidizing bullshit. There is nothing renewable about it. Without gas or diesel to farm the land, ethanol is done. Why don't farmers use ethanol to run their tractors? Cause they would never have anything to sell.

Consider it, a gallon of gas to make a gallon of ethanol, which means massive amounts of corn are sacrificed for nothing, when it could be used to make Doritos. Ever wonder why corn prices are high? Total bullshit. Thanks Duhmerica!
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You pump a lot of E15, do you?
This is low even for you Bevo.
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This is low even for you Bevo.
Yeah, pulling facts from a story someone posted is just wrong

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It sais e15 or higher...
"In motorcycles and nonroad products [using E15 and higher ethanol blends], EPA raised engine-failure concerns from overheating."
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officer I'm splitting cars becuase the ethonal content is too high in my gasoline
My bikes overheating yo
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I sure hope they don't start shoving E15 blends up our , or gas tanks I should say. Has anyone seen any pumps with it?
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Has anyone seen any pumps with it?
No, but weather.com says the sky is falling tomorrow
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This is what 10% ethanol did to my Ducati's aluminum fuel injector connector.

Injector zps9309f980

Ethanol is horrible for street engines, but even more so for off road stuff. I don't run any ethanol through my lawnmower or trimmer.
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This is what 10% ethanol did to my Ducati's aluminum fuel injector connector.

Ethanol is horrible for street engines, but even more so for off road stuff. I don't run any ethanol through my lawnmower or trimmer.
Ducati needs to use materials that can handle E10
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