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Old 04-05-2014, 07:32 PM   #21
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No problem, we want you to enjoy motorcycling and break the fewest bones. I'm not sure of your background but make sure to take the msf and if you can test ride as many bikes as you can. On paper one bike might look like the best ever but you don't enjoy riding it. Most importantly respect your bike, it's limits and your limits. Go on noob rides with an open mind willing to learn. Watch Keith codes twist of the wrist 2 DVD(can be found for free). If you want to make it to the track then there are plenty of people that will help you.
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Ignore the " thats too nice for a first bike" and "thats too much first bike get a 250". Not everyone wants or needs to ride a POS and not everyone lays their first bike down.
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Another thing that I forgot to mention is it's about grins per mile and that's the only performance figure that matters. Keep the rubber side down.
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honestly, Doesnt matter what u get given you respect it like a giant aimed at your hole. If you don't respect it. IT WILL VIOLATE YOU WHERE IT HURTS. AND IT WILL HURT.

Be patient, speed will come in time. buy lots of gear. Quality gear vs Cheap gear. In this world, what you spend actually makes a tremendous difference.
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Ignore the " thats too nice for a first bike" and "thats too much first bike get a 250". Not everyone wants or needs to ride a POS and not everyone lays their first bike down.
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A 600 is not a bad bike to start on if you respect the throttle. I do recommend taking the MSF riding course prior to purchasing the bike. Also, practice a good bit on the bike before you ride in traffic and on the highway.
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Ignore the " thats too nice for a first bike" and "thats too much first bike get a 250". Not everyone wants or needs to ride a POS and not everyone lays their first bike down.

Never said to get a 250, although its not a bad idea... or a 500 or 650. I personally wrecked my first bike SEVERAL times.

Yes not EVERYONE drops their first bike but like a casino its hard to beat the odds....

being as I worked as an adjuster for a decade hearing people whining about how they crashed their RGSXKATanabusa all day every day.....I'd guess I've got a tad different perspective from your world. Your wallet can handle an oh Sh*it moment. Can his? A newer gen 600 will definitely total in almost every circumstance leaving life changing injuries or worse in its wake.

What exactly do you get out of giving newbs bad advice? I like seeing riders learn from their mistakes & keep on riding. They will eventually end up on a bike they love if they live through the learning curve. Will their moto gp career suffer because of the wasted time on a lesser bike? You've been lucky or skilled. Either way straight line racing doesn't impress me on your mastery of all things motorcycle.
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Who says your advice is so dead on? Let the guy get what he wants. He asked about those bikes. He didn't ask for your professional opinion on anything. Just because you couldn't ride doesn't mean he will suffer the same fate. And what is this straight line mastery ?
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I have not seen a bad piece of advice here .. just some differing opinions on how to start riding. Some people grab the bull by horns and some do not. I personally did about a months worth of research before I finally decided to buy. Hindsight 20/20 I should have bought a used bike but I had the cash so new Ninja 300 it was. I can say I am probably a little more on the cautious side cause I can tear some up and push it to the limits. So the little 300 has done me well up to this point. Has kept me in check and is fun as . I will buy a bigger bike eventually but I am still having fun with this one. If I had something that would go 140+ .. I would be doing just that and per my wife have killed myself by now.

So, speaking from experience and having just a year under my belt....just know yourself and your limits. Buy something reliable and if you need the bike checked out there are plenty of people here who will help you. If you think you are going to get out there and have to make it go top speed ... do yourself a favor buy a 250. you can grab one for under 3k. You will most likely want to keep it cause they are fun (ask any of the guys in here with a 600 or higher that have one in the garage). Ride it, track it ... get to know it like a woman. They respond to touch ... the better feel you have for it the more it will put out . Plus the insurance is so much cheaper. Then sell it, keep it, and grab you something with some .

In the end, only you can make the decision what is right for you. Youtube bikes for beginners, 250 vs 600cc, like that. There are tons of opinions out there but one seems to repeat over and over and over ... start small the move up. That helped me make my decision.

Good luck and take the MSF if you have not,,,put about 1k away for gear .. yeah a good helmet, gloves, jacket, boots (if you choose), and maybe some motorcycle jeans w/kevlar. some of these folks ride full race suits when they go out. Just have fun .. if you are having to think too much about crashing it will not be fun.
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I came in thinking I wanted to start out on a ZX10 for my first bike... I've done a lot of research, and I'm glad I waited before buying.

I have now narrowed it down to 3 bikes... All input and opinions are greatly appreciated.

Bike 1 (Blue)
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Personally, I'd pass. The 05-06' model years are notorious for bent shifter forks which results in a worthless 2nd gear.

Bike 2 (Black)
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Bike 3 (Green)
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If I remember correctly, this year had valve train issues that could result in catastrophic failure of the engine.
All bikes are pretty much bone stock...

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My best advise would be to steer clear of a Kawasaki. I bought 4 brand new 03' 636, 04' KX 250, 04' 10R, 06' 636. All manufactures have problems, however, their unwillingness to stand behind and warranty their own product (within the warranty period) swore me off for good. YMMV.
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IMO, if you are serious about riding start buying your gear now, spread that cost out, get your MSF.. You have you entire life to ride, no reason to rush a decision..

But if your looking to get one just to look cool on at PP1 go buy flip flops and the ZX10r...
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Surprised how many people think I might be getting the 600 to "look cool". My daily driver is a lifted diesel, I could probably pay rent just with the gas money I save every month. Not trying to show off, pick up chicks, or whatever else people assume you get these bikes for. I've always liked the ninja, I know they can kill you in a second, I understand people sometimes scuff of drop their bikes. I have weighed all that out, and still would like a clean 600 to get comfortable with.
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IMO, if you are serious about riding start buying your gear now, spread that cost out, get your MSF.. You have you entire life to ride, no reason to rush a decision..

But if your looking to get one just to look cool on at PP1 go buy flip flops and the ZX10r...
Getting the gear in advance does make sense. Thanks for the input. Don't know why I had it in my head to wait until I had already found a bike.

Would you trust buying a helmet that says brand new, never worn... but all the pics are of the helmet out by the bike? Helmet does look brand new and comes with box and all papers. Pretty good deal, I was just always told to never buy a used helmet. Always take it out of the package yourself...
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I started on an 06 zx636 with 11.5k miles. Paid 3500 and put another 500 in it to have it running good. Drove it a year and 8k miles then sold for 3500. It was a great starter bike for me I took it slow for the first month never doing more than 110, then I got brave and started pushing the bike faster and hitting curves harder. Only had one low-side at like 5mph going down a gravel drive.
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Is a 600 really still overdoing it? Most I know who spend money on a 250cc, put them up for sell within a few months to upgrade. I also want something I can buy, drive everyday, not have to worry about anything for awhile. Hard to find anything that I feel is properly maintained, clean, and DD ready for under 4k. I don't know many people who drop their first bikes unless they are stunting or just acting a fool. I know accidents happen, but a lot of people can not scuff or drop their bike.

Based on your username, I'm going to assume you have some experience with cars so I hope this analogy makes sense. A modern 600cc supersport is a high 10second/low 11 second bike off the showroom floor. That's FASTER than a 638hp '13 GT500...and you're basically a 16 year old kid. Actually, you're worse off the than kid in the GT500 because on a motorcycle your natural reactions to a dangerous scenario generally make the problem worse, and the more power you have on tap, the badder it gets. Does a 600 still sound like a good idea?

The people that sell their 250s immediately never learn to ride them well, and even then: they rarey lose money on them (unless purchased new).
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The problem is: your knowledge of your limits doesn't mean the first time you panic, lock your elbows, and thus lock the throttle on.
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Based on your username, I'm going to assume you have some experience with cars so I hope this analogy makes sense. A modern 600cc supersport is a high 10second/low 11 second bike off the showroom floor. That's FASTER than a 638hp '13 GT500...and you're basically a 16 year old kid. Actually, you're worse off the than kid in the GT500 because on a motorcycle your natural reactions to a dangerous scenario generally make the problem worse, and the more power you have on tap, the badder it gets. Does a 600 still sound like a good idea?

The people that sell their 250s immediately never learn to ride them well, and even then: they rarey lose money on them (unless purchased new).
I've been waiting to crack into the 10 second category

In all seriousness, I completely hear what you are saying man. I appreciate the advice.
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600cc bikes are still really fast and powerful bikes. Adding to what Chubby was saying, a 600 is 11 second bike from the factory. Your first bike isn't your last unless you get into a situation where you couldn't handle your bike. You have all the time in the world to upgrade later. Get a smaller bike, learn all the ins and out, then upgrade. 6 months to a year of riding on a smaller bike and then upgrading to what you want will teach you things on the bike that will usually take you longer on the bigger bikes. If you still want a 600, I would recommend having the seller meet you at a known mechanic such as Motorcycles Unlimited so that they can check it for you. If the seller refuse, then there are issues/problems that they are hiding.
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Remember, bigger bikes are less forgiving than the smaller ones. You being a noob with bikes, you have little/no training with reaction time with emergencies which is completely different from a car. In a car, you can slam on the brakes and worse case you skid to a stop or you may swerve. In a bike, slamming on the bikes may throw you off if you squeeze the front brake too hard (I've see this happen), or you may lose control. Worse fear is that you lay the bike down which will damage the bike and mostly importantly injure you. But hey, it is entirely up to you, we are just giving our honest opinions and experiences.

If you still want a 600, I would recommend having the seller meet you at a known mechanic such as Motorcycles Unlimited so that they can check it for you. If the seller refuse, then there are issues/problems that they are hiding.

As far as gears are concerned. Listen to what people are telling you, DON'T BE CHEAP!!!! I spent about another 1k in gear alone. Helmet, Jacket, Gloves, Boots, jeans. Buy the known gear vs the cheap stuff. Ask yourself this, do you want to put your lively hood in the mercy of some cheap-made-in-china-eBay-product? I wouldn't. Make sure the helmet's are at least DOT approved. SNELL approved means that they went through rigorous testing and meets SNELL standards (Also required for tracking). Buy jacket with CE approved armor.
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Seriously watch "twist of the wrist II" sometime after the msf course and before buying a bike. It will teach you a ton and help you even more with your riding.
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