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Old 04-02-2014, 12:43 PM   #61
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The van did not have the right to enter the roadway if vehicles were approaching with a green light.
So don't make a right on red unless the street is absolutely empty?
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:47 PM   #62
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This, plus those streets don't intersect at a right angle. That van had to turn more than 90 degrees to the right in order to get closer to the curb.
Huh? Turn is not a 90 degree turn correct. 90 degree turn would actually cause you to turn tighter to stay in your lane. This corner was sloped out giving the turning vehicle more room to turn correctly. Look the sidewalk ... it is curved allowing more of a turning radius - easier than a hard 90 right turn.
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So don't make a right on red unless the street is absolutely empty?
Pretty much ... right on red does not give you the right of way .. just allows you to enter the road if there are no approaching vehicles. It does not give you a free pass to jump out there.

Ps: I need to use the multiquote - i forget it is there
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Pretty much ... right on red does not give you the right of way .. just allows you to enter the road if there are no approaching vehicles. It does not give you a free pass to jump out there.

Ps: I need to use the multiquote - i forget it is there
So treat a right on red as a one way stop sign? I just got my license yesterday, so thanks
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Huh? Turn is not a 90 degree turn correct. 90 degree turn would actually cause you to turn tighter to stay in your lane. This corner was sloped out giving the turning vehicle more room to turn correctly. Look the sidewalk ... it is curved allowing more of a turning radius - easier than a hard 90 right turn.
My point is he had to turn the wheel more than had he been making a 90 degree turn. You make a 90 degree turn at that intersection and you'll be all the way in the left lane
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So treat a right on red as a one way stop sign? I just got my license yesterday, so thanks
No, you got your license back when horse and buggies were used ... and the only light at an intersection was a burning lamp
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Riders fault, should've used this rotors to slowthafuckdown then he'd still be riding.
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99% the riders fault imo
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It's hard to judge from the video but my guess is he wouldn't of had to slam on his brakes but atleast let off the throttle and drag the brakes a little and he would have seen the van moving to the right and seen the better option.

I agree the rider probably thought the van was gonna go out to the left lane and stay there. Maybe he wasn't even looking so he saw the van late, who knows.
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No, you got your license back when horse and buggies were used ... and the only light at an intersection was a burning lamp
Hilarious. Hope your riding isn't as bad as your jokes. Have you even met me? If not you ought to come out and ride sometime
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Hilarious. Hope your riding isn't as bad as your jokes. Have you even met me? If not you ought to come out and ride sometime
Still a consider myself a noob riding .. got my bike 1 yr ago this month ... and you had and Solracer both had just had you incidents. Been working too much but I will get out .. will be watching for rides. Be a pleasure to meet ya.
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If the rider would have been driving a car, and tried to make the EXACT SAME MOVE there is not a single person on here who would support him.
Just because he was on a motorcycle doesn't mean he can attempt to pass on the right in the middle of the city. While speeding.

HE made an assumption he wouldn't have made had he been in a car.
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wait....so that wasnt his own bike?!?!? wooooww

but yea that looked like it was avoidable. hope dudes ok tho
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Has anyone actually looked at how many seconds he had to make that decision? I counted 2 but I will give it 3 seconds. Car entered his view at 25 seconds ... he reached the rear of the van at 27 seconds.

Of course he could have slowed down not gonna argue that one at all. I just dont see how anyone can watch that and not fault the van. That happens everyday to people in cars and we get off like no tomorrow for being cutoff like that. Change it to a motorcycle and all fault lands on him for making a bad decision to stay the course in his lane while being cutoff by another vehicle.

I fully understand riding a motorcycle means you have to approach things differently because that fender bender in a car would likely kill you on a bike. So I totally get the hard approach to slam on the rider for not taking a more evasive approach or just simply slowing down (still would have been faced with a difficult decision because the van was posted up in two lanes for a moment).

I just dont get the "higher than thou" attitude. Dude up and made a bad call that he had at most 3 seconds to make. Van had all the time in the world to sit and wait at a light that was red knowing the approaching traffic had a green. Van caused the bullshit by making the turn.

Its always the fault of the guy who rear ends someone because they were following to close. Its always the fault of car turning because they could have waited for a better opening.
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Has anyone actually looked at how many seconds he had to make that decision? I counted 2 but I will give it 3 seconds. Car entered his view at 25 seconds ... he reached the rear of the van at 27 seconds.

Of course he could have slowed down not gonna argue that one at all. I just dont see how anyone can watch that and not fault the van. That happens everyday to people in cars and we get off like no tomorrow for being cutoff like that. Change it to a motorcycle and all fault lands on him for making a bad decision to stay the course in his lane while being cutoff by another vehicle.

I fully understand riding a motorcycle means you have to approach things differently because that fender bender in a car would likely kill you on a bike. So I totally get the hard approach to slam on the rider for not taking a more evasive approach or just simply slowing down (still would have been faced with a difficult decision because the van was posted up in two lanes for a moment).

I just dont get the "higher than thou" attitude. Dude up and made a bad call that he had at most 3 seconds to make. Van had all the time in the world to sit and wait at a light that was red knowing the approaching traffic had a green. Van caused the bullshit by making the turn.

Its always the fault of the guy who rear ends someone because they were following to close. Its always the fault of car turning because they could have waited for a better opening.
1. At 24 seconds you can see the entire van
2. At 28 seconds the bike is at the rear of the van
3. Had the rider been doing the speed limit, he would have had even more time to stop. (Yeah, I never ride at the speed limit or below, but I also know I'm invisible so I always slow down whenever there is a vehicle pointed at the street I'm on, hit my brights, and cover the brake lever.)
4. I can apply the brakes in .5 seconds, I'm sure the idiot on the bike could too if he chose to. Sport bikes are made for stopping, that's why they have two giant discs mounted to the front wheel, plus he's not riding any old sport bike, he's riding the Ferrari of sport bikes, that bike can stop in a short distance
5. In the law there's what's known as the "clean hands doctrine". If this rider appears before a judge to try to collect damages from the van driver, how do you think this doctrine might apply?
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Not to mention you are not seeing the riders entire field of view, just the camera angle. Odds are real good he could see the van prior to it appearing magically on camera...
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Did a quick search of MCN articles

2012 Aprilia Tuono V4 APRC did 60-0 in 117 feet
2012 Ducati 848 Streetfighter did 60-0 in 113 feet
2011 Ninja 1000 did 60-0 in 117 feet

The rider could have stopped
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35mph = 51.3333 feet per second. If the rider had been doing 35 (the speed limit on Peachtree St.) he traveled 205.3332 feet in 4 seconds. That's plenty of space to stop well before reaching the van
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there was enough space to stop a speeding school bus in that accident.
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Yes it truly ticks me off when drivers refuse to wait the 3 seconds it would take for me to pass them so that they can turn onto the main thoroughfare with NO on coming traffic, but instead they pull out in front of me forcing me to check up to prevent hitting them. It happens equally whether I'm driving a cage or the bike. It ticks me off more on the bike because I'm aware that I tend to be going faster. I cover my brake at all times. Who's at fault, with the video, the van as the bike had the right of way and the van should have yeilded. If the cop shows up and no video its the bike, failure to control speed, hitting another vehicle from behind. What could have been done different:
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A)Take lane position 1 at the left part of the lane, that affords greatest visibility for the longest time for both you, side traffic and on coming vehicles.
B)Cover the brakes and yeild the right of way early or risk being dead right.
C)Had he followed A he would have known he was clear to swerve left instead of thread the needle to the right. (typically oncoming traffic will attempt to avoid a head on as opposed to the tree and curb which will take no evasive action at all.
D) Slow the heck down when you are not familiar with or on someone else's bike.
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A) Never assume you have properly gaged the closing speed of a vehicle on a main street
B) Get off your phone
C) Never assume you can get up to the speed of the main street before the approaching vehicle rearends you.
D) never assume the approaching vehicle will slow instead of rear ending you
E) WAIT THE 3 SECONDS IT WILL TAKE FOR THE STREET TO CLEAR BEFORE YOU CUT SOMEONE OFF
F) Learn how to make a turn and remain in your stinking lane!
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