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Old 04-01-2014, 12:27 PM   #21
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Wow.... Just wow. Hope rider is ok but kinda brought that on himself.
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I've watched some of his videos. In my own opinion, he should have braked and slowed down instead of trying to overtake the van. Cagers are unpredictable and you have to constantly assume/predict what they are going do. Sucks that it happened; you live and you learn from your mistakes.
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he had a free left lane. didnt brake hard enough. was speeding. and i didnt here a horn at all.... never speed on a borrowed ride lol.



i have watched some of his videos aswell i believe he has crashed more than one bike
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1. You can't even see the van when it's at the crosswalk so you don't know if it stopped or not.
2. What makes you think the van was trying to park and not just continue down the street?
3. Only an idiot would ride at that speed between a car and a curb.
1. Maybe your old eyes don't see it, but I see the van roll through the light. The motorcyclist had the right of way with a green light. Van also turned wide and took up both lanes when turning.

2. The van moves closer and closer to the curb after it turns- it looks as if it's parking on the side of the street. If not, I suppose they could have realized they took up both lanes when turning and were trying to get all the way to the right lane.

3. The guy could very well be an idiot (I would agree here) but it looks as if he's trying to avoid the van since he didn't slow down more or brake in the intersection.

I wouldn't have handled the situation like he did, but I can't say he's 100% to blame, not even majority to blame here. And, he could have avoided it easily.
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1. Maybe your old eyes don't see it, but I see the van roll through the light. The motorcyclist had the right of way with a green light. Van also turned wide and took up both lanes when turning.

2. The van moves closer and closer to the curb after it turns- it looks as if it's parking on the side of the street. If not, I suppose they could have realized they took up both lanes when turning and were trying to get all the way to the right lane.

3. The guy could very well be an idiot (I would agree here) but it looks as if he's trying to avoid the van since he didn't slow down more or brake in the intersection.

I wouldn't have handled the situation like he did, but I can't say he's 100% to blame, not even majority to blame here. And, he could have avoided it easily.
If he could of avoided it, then I would think he is to blame.

Lets just say the person driving the van is a and saw the bike. Sometimes you just have to be the better person and leave the alone.
Also when your driving someone elses bike, you sure dont pull that sht.
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Trish, I have to agree with quick mick. If he could have easily avoided and didn't then it is his fault. Should the van have pulled out in front of the bike, no, did the van block the left lane so much to not allow a bike to go by, no.

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Trish, I have to agree with quick mick. If he could have easily avoided and didn't then it is his fault. Should the van have pulled out in front of the bike, no, did the van block the left lane so much to not allow a bike to go by, no.

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Only speeding up and doing a wheelie into the back of the van could be worse. That was pretty bad. I've avoided worse incidents with drum brakes on a 40 year old bike and 6 months experience.
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1. Maybe your old eyes don't see it, but I see the van roll through the light. The motorcyclist had the right of way with a green light. Van also turned wide and took up both lanes when turning.

2. The van moves closer and closer to the curb after it turns- it looks as if it's parking on the side of the street. If not, I suppose they could have realized they took up both lanes when turning and were trying to get all the way to the right lane.

3. The guy could very well be an idiot (I would agree here) but it looks as if he's trying to avoid the van since he didn't slow down more or brake in the intersection.

I wouldn't have handled the situation like he did, but I can't say he's 100% to blame, not even majority to blame here. And, he could have avoided it easily.
1. OK slim, you know the van is supposed to stop BEFORE the crosswalk, so you have no idea if it did because the view is blocked. Look how far the line to stop is before the crosswalk.

2. The van didn't take up two lanes. At most it had a tire on the lane line if there were one visible. There was certainly a lot more space to the left of the van than on the right. Those streets don't intersect at a right angle so that's why the van turned like it did.

3. The dumbass on the bike was going too fast for his poor riding skills and probably +10 over posted
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Only speeding up and doing a wheelie into the back of the van could be worse. That was pretty bad. I've avoided worse incidents with drum brakes on a 40 year old bike and 6 months experience.
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1. OK slim, you know the van is supposed to stop BEFORE the crosswalk, so you have no idea if it did because the view is blocked. Look how far the line to stop is before the crosswalk.

2. The van didn't take up two lanes. At most it had a tire on the lane line if there were one visible. There was certainly a lot more space to the left of the van than on the right. Those streets don't intersect at a right angle so that's why the van turned like it did.

3. The dumbass on the bike was going too fast for his poor riding skills and probably +10 over posted
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1. Maybe your old eyes don't see it, but I see the van roll through the light. The motorcyclist had the right of way with a green light. Van also turned wide and took up both lanes when turning.

2. The van moves closer and closer to the curb after it turns- it looks as if it's parking on the side of the street. If not, I suppose they could have realized they took up both lanes when turning and were trying to get all the way to the right lane.
The first time the van is visible, it has already entered the cross walk. Easily conceivable it stopped before the crosswalk for the light, then proceeded.


The van has numbers on the side like a commercial vehicle. Could have been pulling to the side of the street to dropoff/pickup or make a delivery. I do this all the time downtown, does that require a blinker?
People are lazy/bad drivers and take wide turns like they are towing a gooseneck all the time.

I say 100% fault of motorcycle legally. If I was driving the van I would feel bad I didn't see the guy but I would be angry if my insurance got dinged.
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I've put my brakes to the test several times already and they WORK.Even though the van got in the way,he should have just been the better driver/rider and stopped vs trying to squeeze thru.

Anyways real owner was crazy for letting someone ride his bike. I haven't let anyone ride my Panigale and prob won't change that.
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1. Maybe your old eyes don't see it, but I see the van roll through the light. The motorcyclist had the right of way with a green light. Van also turned wide and took up both lanes when turning.

2. The van moves closer and closer to the curb after it turns- it looks as if it's parking on the side of the street. If not, I suppose they could have realized they took up both lanes when turning and were trying to get all the way to the right lane.

3. The guy could very well be an idiot (I would agree here) but it looks as if he's trying to avoid the van since he didn't slow down more or brake in the intersection.

I wouldn't have handled the situation like he did, but I can't say he's 100% to blame, not even majority to blame here. And, he could have avoided it easily.
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Ok after examining the video here is what I see:

1) based on watching his other videos ... not sure how many rides but he had only been on a liter bike a few times as he was doing a review of the bike - not familiar with it at all. He can ride ... not smart all the time (see his video of getting a ticket for speeding and lane splitting). His other videos he rides pretty safe and defensive .

2) He had a green light - was he traveling over the speed limit ... looks like maybe 10-15 over the way he passed the other vehicle. He had the right of way in this case.

3) Van had a red light. In the second view from the helmet cam you can see the van roll through the light and turn right.

4) The van turned into the left lane of the road and then cut back to the right. If the van had made a complete stop it should have had no issue turning right into the right hand lane of the road it was entering.

5) The van did not check traffic as I can see the van when it turned in from the camera ... so the bike was visible at this point and he was not hauling so it was not like his travel distance would have been that hard to determine - if the driver would have looked.

My opinion on this:

Legally van is at fault. Failed to yield to oncoming traffic while making a right turn on red (if it was even legal at that intersection). Van made an Illegal Right Turn by entering the left lane first - Legal Right Turn states you must turn into the right lane. For insurance and legal purposes van was at fault for causing the accident -- Failure to Yield, Illegal Right Turn .. if right turn was legal you still have to enter the correct lane when turning.

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Practical reasoning - rider is at fault. Was most likely rider over posted limit (in Texas Speed Limit in a residential or urban area is 30 - same in georgia where he lives). He did not reduce his speed when approaching an intersection where a vehicle was visible and entering the road way in front of him. I did hear him let off the throttle a little but it was too late at that point. Instead of trying to evade to the left where he could visibly see there were no approaching cars from the opposite direction .. he tried to pass to the inside of the vehicle leaving himself no escape.
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Legally van is at fault. Failed to yield to oncoming traffic while making a right turn on red (if it was even legal at that intersection). Van made an Illegal Right Turn by entering the left lane first - Legal Right Turn states you must turn into the right lane. For insurance and legal purposes van was at fault for causing the accident -- Failure to Yield, Illegal Right Turn .. if right turn was legal you still have to enter the correct lane when turning.
Then the driver's insurance would have to pay for the bike. Did it?

The van didn't swing nearly as wide as is indicated in that diagram, plus those streets don't intersect at a right angle
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