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Old 05-02-2007, 01:58 AM   #121
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"The only way we will ever stop people from killing other people with guns is to stop making them. Anything less is damage control."

No you'd have to find and destroy/lock up every gun in the states... then make sure none came in via the blackmarket... then you've still got 'zip' guns to try to get rid of and home-made ammo.... and what do you get?

Criminals with weapons (guns) vs civilians without.

More and more 'protect people from themselves' instead of forcing people to deal with harsh reality of life and learning to deal with the results of your actions.


"Mandatory tracking device like lojack for all new vehicles? Yeah, I know, big brother..."
and have you considered the logistics of that alone....and do you know if the lojack system is even capable of that kind of coverage/scope? :-)
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I'd rather deal with the very slim "possibility" that the police may run me over and cover it up before I'd voluntarily have a black box that monitored all of the movements of a law abiding citizen.

That's a slippery slope, however it's not the topic here.

Actually it's become pointless to continue debating this.

The few who are going on about the possibility of being "maliciously run down by the police", aren't going to change their opinion on the subject no matter how rationally it's explained, and the rest of us more reasonable people are not going to change our opinions either.
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Put a device to slow down or kill your vehicle if a cop sees fit? ARe you freak'n crazy? Man, you people trust cops and big brother waaaayyy to much. I mean why do you think our forefathers gave us the right to bear arms. Not to defend ourselves from other countries but to defend ourselves against our own government that gets to big for its britches.

Read my story again(about the fire), most cops aren't real bright otherwise they wouldn't be cops. So I don't want to give the picked on in school wimps that want to be cops so they can push people around more power to run me or any of my biker friends off the road be cause they thing we are fleeing instead of just hauling and not seeing them. But if a guy uses a sportbike in a crime like robbery, murder or rape go ahead and run him off the road. But don't run him off the road for speeding or popping wheelie. Come on.
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"Put a device to slow down or kill your vehicle if a cop sees fit? ARe you freak'n crazy? Man, you people trust cops and big brother waaaayyy to much."

Go re-read the thread Gix... the one that came up with that, is the guy(s) arguing the same side as you. :-)

Now don't you think you're being a bit melodramatic & paranoid to presume that all of a sudden LEO's are going to go on a Mad-Max style rampage of ramming every car & motorcycle they see that doesn't pull over and stop within the first 5 seconds of pursuit.
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"Put a device to slow down or kill your vehicle if a cop sees fit? ARe you freak'n crazy? Man, you people trust cops and big brother waaaayyy to much."

Go re-read the thread Gix... the one that came up with that, is the guy(s) arguing the same side as you. :-)

Now don't you think you're being a bit melodramatic & paranoid to presume that all of a sudden LEO's are going to go on a Mad-Max style rampage of ramming every car & motorcycle they see that doesn't pull over and stop within the first 5 seconds of pursuit.
No, I don't think they all will. But you can have some hothead cowboys that do and that is why it shouldn't be in their arsonel to hit a bike for just running because of speeding. The rider is going to be seriously hurt if a cop car hits the bike to make him crash. Like I said the punishment FAR exceeds the crime. For example, I saw a cop use the pitstop manuever on two girls that were under 20 that ran for speeding. It crippled one and killed the other girl. Total ABUSE of power when they could have just got their plates and those two kids would be alive today.
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"For example, I saw a cop use the pitstop manuever on two girls that were under 20 that ran for speeding. It crippled one and killed the other girl. Total ABUSE of power when they could have just got their plates and those two kids would be alive today."

Precisely HOW would any LEO know WHY someone RAN?
by the same token those 'girls' would be fine if they had pulled over instead of trying to run. The fault was not that of the officer, but of the girl driving the car.
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"The only way we will ever stop people from killing other people with guns is to stop making them. Anything less is damage control."

No you'd have to find and destroy/lock up every gun in the states... then make sure none came in via the blackmarket... then you've still got 'zip' guns to try to get rid of and home-made ammo.... and what do you get?

Criminals with weapons (guns) vs civilians without.
Um... then you'd have to find and destroy all of the knives, hachets, axes, sticks, stones, balled-up fists...

Gawd - the 'distroy all the guns to prevent violence' crowd drives me freaking nuts...

DR. DEMENTO READ: IT'S NOT THE GUNS - ITS IT'S THE PERSON(S) USING THEM FOR VIOLENCE - IF THEY CANNOT GET GUNS, THEY WILL USE THE NEXT BEST TOOL FOR THEIR MISDEEDS - YOU CANNOT REMOVE EVERY TOOL FROM SOCIETY - BUT YOU CAN REMOVE THOSE WHO WOULD USE TOOLS FOR HARMING OTHERS.

I really need to stop reading this thread already. :BangHead:
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"For example, I saw a cop use the pitstop manuever on two girls that were under 20 that ran for speeding. It crippled one and killed the other girl. Total ABUSE of power when they could have just got their plates and those two kids would be alive today."

Precisely HOW would any LEO know WHY someone RAN?
by the same token those 'girls' would be fine if they had pulled over instead of trying to run. The fault was not that of the officer, but of the girl driving the car.
No the FAULT was with the officer he killed a young girl and crippled an innocent teenager that was in the passenger seat. They should bring that pig up on murder charges. The girls were young and young people don't use their brains because they have not matured enough. That is why the stupid pig should have just got there plate and arrrested them later but he was freakn' hothead that used a dangerous manuever for a speeding offense.
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"No the FAULT was with the officer he killed a young girl and crippled an innocent teenager that was in the passenger seat. They should bring that pig up on murder charges. The girls were young and young people don't use their brains because they have not matured enough. That is why the stupid pig should have just got there plate and arrrested them later but he was freakn' hothead that used a dangerous manuever for a speeding offense."

If they were 'just' speeding, why run? Answer the previous question Bill...

"Precisely HOW would any LEO know WHY someone RAN?"
There's a WHOLE lot of possibilities there...

The fault of the accident is in the hands of the driver that ran, not the officer who tried and apparently succeeded in preventing them from taking anyone else out. IF they had not matured enough to have proper judgement/decision making, then they had no business behind the wheel of a car or other street legal vehicle in the first place.
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Its people like you that are the problem, not law enforcement....
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Like me? What are you talking about? Just because I think an officer took to aggresive of a manuever against the car(which didn't hit any other pedestrian btw and had a helicopter tracking the girl so they could have easily got her when she ran out of gas) so I don't think he deserves the name of officer but a pig. A pig is a cop that abuses his authority(in case you didn't know) I have respect for cops that do their job and don't abuse their autority this cop did and why I used the name "pig". I hope the family of the girl that was mamed for life sues the out of the "cop" so other cops will think twice about using the pit stop manuever against just a speeder.

You should see the video then I think you would change your mind but maybe you are the type person that always takes the cops side and don't think they screw up.
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I am sorry about your father but I asure you I am not a part of the criminal element. I speed and pop wheelies every once in while but I don't rob convenience stores and I pay a of lot money in taxes. Just curious what do you call bad cops or cops that misuse their authority(you know the ones that take bribes, deal conficated drugs and things like that)?
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cops dont like me.. hehe.. they are all (90%) pigs towards me. and most stunters.. one of the nicest stunters i know went to jail the other day. no wheelie, not speeding, just pulled over bc the bike LOOKED like it had been wrecked i guess (it was street fightered.) and went in for having an expired license. :BangHead:

just bc the bike had a cage and 12 bar and not front fairing? cop darted off the freeway onto the feeder cuttin off several cars to go pull him over.

i have only seen a handfull of cops that just do their job and dont try to play captain america / billy the bully bad .
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cops dont like me.. hehe.. they are all (90%) pigs towards me. and most stunters.. one of the nicest stunters i know went to jail the other day. no wheelie, not speeding, just pulled over bc the bike LOOKED like it had been wrecked i guess (it was street fightered.) and went in for having an expired license. :BangHead:

just bc the bike had a cage and 12 bar and not front fairing? cop darted off the freeway onto the feeder cuttin off several cars to go pull him over.

i have only seen a handfull of cops that just do their job and dont try to play captain america / billy the bully bad .
i'm going to put this as respectfully as possible, FVCK COPS! I ate lunch with my aunt today who I love dearly but unfortunatlly she is a Harris County Sherrif. Shes a great person but when shes behind that badge, shes not my aunt anymore. as far as i'm concerned, shes just another piggy. i've heard some of her work stories and they aren't exactly the most rational or ethical. 90% of the cops i know do some pretty crooked a$$ shyt on a daily basis. they are scum with shields and until the number of cops that "serve and protect" me out number the co<k suckers that give me tickets, fu<k um' all!
 
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