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Old 05-01-2007, 02:38 PM   #41
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Come on, we are on bikes how much damage could we do. I mean cagers take us out everyday and now we have worry about gumball lights cagers taking us out legally? Sheesh.

Ever see what a 500 pound bike travelling 80 MPH can do to a car?
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now we have worry about gumball lights cagers taking us out legally? Sheesh.
Not if you don't run, you won't. You'll have nothing to worry about.
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"Come on, we are on bikes how much damage could we do. I mean cagers take us out everyday and now we have worry about gumball lights cagers taking us out legally? Sheesh."

2 riders down, 1 pillion in the ICU. Roger, Jordan & Lydia rings any bells...and that was just a ride. 428+lbs of rubber/steel moving 75-180mph...

I'd say, potentially a considerable amount given the right situation/circumstances.
Myself, honestly I'd like to see some high speed pursuit offices.. on SportBikes.
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Amen!

It's really this simple; don't run and you've nothing to worry about, do and you now have an additional consequence.

It seems to me that too many people think they should get a free pass and not have to take responsibility for their actions.
people make stupid decisions sometimes but if their dead because a underpaid trigger happy cop decided to pull a PIT on them nothing is accomplished. they can't take responsibility for their actions if they have no pulse.
 
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people make stupid decisions sometimes but if their dead because a underpaid trigger happy cop decided to pull a PIT on them nothing is accomplished. they can't take responsibility for their actions if they have no pulse.
Um.. they decided not to take responsibility WHEN THEY RAN... :BangHead:
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And it let's a cop hit you (possibly kill you) then say that you were running from him. You can't tell your side of the story when you're dead.

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Yes I know all cops are not like this. No need for a big long thread about it.
Dont' quote me on this, but I believe when the lights come on, the camera is automatically recording video, and vehicle speed. It should be obvious whether or not you are running, and if the video is NOT on then it's innocent until proven guilty right? If a cop hits you and near kills you the court should rule in your favor especially if the camera was off. (This is making the assumption that you are infact NOT running)
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"people make stupid decisions sometimes but if their dead because a underpaid trigger happy cop decided to pull a PIT on them nothing is accomplished. they can't take responsibility for their actions if they have no pulse."

Seems to me, they would have paid the ultimate responsibility in that case...and in a situation they survive. They still paid a price for their actions and bad judgement, however now they cannot go after the officer/dept for their own choice.
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wait what? How would police be right on your tail anyway? Unless of course your sitting at a light then he just plows you over... I dont imagine a bike would have a problem with this, but I'm not saying not to worry, because crazy sh*t happens. I know.
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wait what? How would police be right on your tail anyway? Unless of course your sitting at a light then he just plows you over... I dont imagine a bike would have a problem with this (keeping distance), but I'm not saying not to worry, because crazy sh*t happens. I know.
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people make stupid decisions sometimes but if their dead because a underpaid trigger happy cop decided to pull a PIT on them nothing is accomplished. they can't take responsibility for their actions if they have no pulse.
A thought for you, maybe if there is more gravity attached to making a decision, the process would incur more intelligent thought?

What if the person running kills someone in the process, is it fair for them?

This is life, most times there is no "do over", think before you act.


As far as "trigger happy cops" most nowadays are afraid to pull a trigger or injure someone, even when it's warranted, out of fear of litigation and ruining their own lives.
There's tons of cases where police hesitated in a necessary shooting because of this and were wounded or fellow officers were killed as a result.

Even if the above weren't the case, if you're not breaking the law by running, you have a VERY minimal risk of being "wrongfully" hit by a police officer.
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Dont' quote me on this, but I believe when the lights come on, the camera is automatically recording video, and vehicle speed. It should be obvious whether or not you are running, and if the video is NOT on then it's innocent until proven guilty right? If a cop hits you and near kills you the court should rule in your favor especially if the camera was off. (This is making the assumption that you are infact NOT running)
Not always. In HS a friend of mine was hit by a police car that ran a stop sign. He lost a kidney and almost died. The cop said that he had his lights on (a lie). Never went to trail - guy lost a nice car and almost died from it. No money, no nothing.
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As far as "trigger happy cops" most nowadays are afraid to pull a trigger or injure someone, even when it's warranted, out of fear of litigation and ruining their own lives.
There's tons of cases where police hesitated in a necessary shooting because of this and were wounded or fellow officers were killed as a result.
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You could argue this both ways. That's just how our system works. If the police just always pulled the trigger, then may kill someone innocent. If they hesitate, they may get killed. Sounds to me like it's part of the job description, and they just have to try to use their own judgement.
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I just remember the cops that claimed the HPD guys on honda 50's were running............Guess they should've just plowed em over with the grill guard & arrest the ones that survive.

Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely......or something like that
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Not always. In HS a friend of mine was hit by a police car that ran a stop sign. He lost a kidney and almost died. The cop said that he had his lights on (a lie). Never went to trail - guy lost a nice car and almost died from it. No money, no nothing.
I would say it depends on the judge. I remember going to traffic court trying to challenge a stop light ticket. I explained my entire situation, (there was no way to provide proof, I basically explained that I was clearing the intersection, not running the light),

but all the DA had to say was "Your honor, I would like to point out that the officer is a trained professional in which his statement holds as fact under the court of law..." (I dont remmeber the exact words.)

When I got the chance to replay, I said "Your honor, if you consider that a valid statement, then in every case in which an officer was a witness, [such as any routine stop], there is no way out of the ticket, and this renders the chance to fight a ticket useless"

her reply "guilty"
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As far as "trigger happy cops" most nowadays are afraid to pull a trigger or injure someone, even when it's warranted, out of fear of litigation and ruining their own lives.
There's tons of cases where police hesitated in a necessary shooting because of this and were wounded or fellow officers were killed as a result.
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You could argue this both ways. That's just how our system works. If the police just always pulled the trigger, then may kill someone innocent. If they hesitate, they may get killed. Sounds to me like it's part of the job description, and they just have to try to use their own judgment.

Yep, that's really what this all boils down to, using sound judgment. Does everyone always use it including the police?

No, and life's not always fair either, however that doesn't mean you should be given a free pass if you choose to break the law by running either.
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Ever see what a 500 pound bike travelling 80 MPH can do to a car?
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Imagine what a 4000 pound car can do to us when they try to ram us off the road.



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I don't run anymore but I concur with what others have said. Alot times you don't know they are behind you if you are hauling and paying attention to what is going on in front of you because you are hauling . So the arrogant cop thinks you are running when you don't even know he is back there. So some other moron cop tbones you at a intersection killing you without you even knowing they are trying to pull you over. It is a DUMB law when it applys to bikes. They can just get your plate and cite you with a ticket later.
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Imagine what a 4000 pound car can do to us when they try to ram us off the road.

I don't run anymore but I concur with what others have said. Alot times you don't know they are behind you if you are hauling and paying attention to what is going on in front of you because you are hauling . So the arrogant cop thinks you are running when you don't even know he is back there. So some other moron cop tbones you at a intersection killing you without you even knowing they are trying to pull you over. It is a DUMB law when it applys to bikes. They can just get your plate and cite you with a ticket later.
How in the did we get to "Imagine what a 4000 pound car can do to us when they try to ram us off the road."??

Police officers don't just ram and t-bone a car they are trying to remove from the road. They have pretty specific techniques they are taught on how to make a chased car spin out limiting the potential of fatality as much as possible...

Even if cops were allowed to use this technique on bikes, they are not going to all-of-sudden become mass-biker-murders.
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I just remember the cops that claimed the HPD guys on honda 50's were running............Guess they should've just plowed em over with the grill guard & arrest the ones that survive.

Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely......or something like that
No one is saying that everyone that runs will be "plowed over" once again, that would be poor judgement. All it's saying is that it's a possible consequence if warranted, i.e. high spped pursuit endangering innocent bystander lives.

Somehow I doubt the HPD crew were in a high speed pursuit or endangering any lives with their 50's.:laughing6


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Power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely......or something like that
And actually, that's one of the problems in this country, nothing is "absolute", there's always some kind of get around or skate clause attached to bad decisions people make because of the whiners that won't take responsibility for their actions.
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Why should anyone else take responsibility for their actions..........Our law enforcement officers no longer have to
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Why should anyone else take responsibility for their actions..........Our law enforcement officers no longer have to

[sarcasm] You know you're right, I ought to just get out my rifles, go on down to the Piggly Wiggly and then start shooting at people I don't like the look of.
After that I'll start looking up the addresses of the people online that I don't like, and I'll start shooting them too. Maybe I'll finish it up by blowing up a few things, seems a little too quiet around here lately.[/sarcasm]

I wonder if you'll let me use that brilliant response as part of my defense at my trial.:laughing6
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How in the did we get to "Imagine what a 4000 pound car can do to us when they try to ram us off the road."??

Police officers don't just ram and t-bone a car they are trying to remove from the road. They have pretty specific techniques they are taught on how to make a chased car spin out limiting the potential of fatality as much as possible...

Even if cops were allowed to use this technique on bikes, they are not going to all-of-sudden become mass-biker-murders.
If they use this tecknique on bikes they would become single murderers or double murders if someone is on the back of the bike.

Like I said I know of a few friends riding in the hill country going a good pace and a cop couldn't even catch them so they radio'd ahead and had a road block waiting for them. Now if they had this goofy law in their arsonel they could have just rammed them off the road for and grins. These guys were older dudes that wern't running at all they just had no idea the law was behind them.
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