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Old 05-01-2007, 10:41 AM   #21
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i agree with a couple and disagree with others.
MY opinion is that there needs to be a certain level of crime commited or known crime to then chase a car. If nothing is known than just speeding then i say the risk to others is too great and let go. If it is KNOWN that the driver is a wanted fellon had done certain crimes then can continue chasing.
say a guy is speeding to work, has a couple tickets and knows his license will be suspended with next ticket, so he runs, cop takes him out or hits a bus load of kids while cops are chasing him killing 50 or 60 kids. all because of speeding. would that have been worth the chase strickly because of speeding?
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Old 05-01-2007, 10:49 AM   #22
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i agree with a couple and disagree with others.
MY opinion is that there needs to be a certain level of crime commited or known crime to then chase a car. If nothing is known than just speeding then i say the risk to others is too great and let go. If it is KNOWN that the driver is a wanted fellon had done certain crimes then can continue chasing.
say a guy is speeding to work, has a couple tickets and knows his license will be suspended with next ticket, so he runs, cop takes him out or hits a bus load of kids while cops are chasing him killing 50 or 60 kids. all because of speeding. would that have been worth the chase strickly because of speeding?
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At the same time, knowing that his license was going to be suspended, shouldn't he have paid more attention to his speed, and then, when he KNEW he had been busted, was the chance of having his license suspended worth the ramifications of getting busted for running from the cops, or even endangering other lives like the chance of hitting a bus load of kids? Your comment here would suggest it is ok for everyone to run over a small misdimeanor and get away with it because the cops shouldn't endanger everyone. All comes back to what Kozmic said, own up if you break the law. Or suffer the consequences. I do see Jus10's point in wrongfully being accused of evading, but we have innocent people on death row also. I speed just like everyone else, but if you aren't speeding you probably won't be assumed as evading.
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If it is KNOWN that the driver is a wanted fellon had done certain crimes then can continue chasing.
Great points...

I would have to think that anything felony and above would qualify (either in the act or wanted for previous).
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i agree with a couple and disagree with others.
MY opinion is that there needs to be a certain level of crime commited or known crime to then chase a car. If nothing is known than just speeding then i say the risk to others is too great and let go. If it is KNOWN that the driver is a wanted fellon had done certain crimes then can continue chasing.
say a guy is speeding to work, has a couple tickets and knows his license will be suspended with next ticket, so he runs, cop takes him out or hits a bus load of kids while cops are chasing him killing 50 or 60 kids. all because of speeding. would that have been worth the chase strickly because of speeding?
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that's why it's a felony to run regardless of the initial reason to be stopped. Once you run, you're the same as any other criminal in the eyes of the law.

And, if someone would endanger the lives of others because they were trying to avoid a situation they put themselves in (i.e., about to get another ticket resulting in revoking their license)and running form the cops, then yes, they deserve to be chased and run right off the road into a ditch for being so stupid.

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At the same time, knowing that his license was going to be suspended, shouldn't he have paid more attention to his speed, and then, when he KNEW he had been busted, was the chance of having his license suspended worth the ramifications of getting busted for running from the cops, or even endangering other lives like the chance of hitting a bus load of kids? Your comment here would suggest it is ok for everyone to run over a small misdimeanor and get away with it because the cops shouldn't endanger everyone. All comes back to what Kozmic said, own up if you break the law. Or suffer the consequences. I do see Jus10's point in wrongfully being accused of evading, but we have innocent people on death row also. I speed just like everyone else, but if you aren't speeding you probably won't be assumed as evading.
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so any time a "chase" "threatens" bystanders, it's okay to use "deadly force"?
it would seem to me like any chase could potentially hurt someone, even at 5 mph.
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that's why it's a felony to run regardless of the initial reason to be stopped.
I was hoping someone would mention this.

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I would have to think that anything felony and above would qualify (either in the act or wanted for previous).
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so any time a "chase" "threatens" bystanders, it's okay to use "deadly force"?
it would seem to me like any chase could potentially hurt someone, even at 5 mph.
I don't think they are ever using deadly force. If it was ok to do that, they would drive down the road and just shoot at the driver till he died and stopped. But sometimes it does turn deadly. Just a decision the criminal makes for himself.
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I don't think they are ever using deadly force. If it was ok to do that, they would drive down the road and just shoot at the driver till he died and stopped. But sometimes it does turn deadly. Just a decision the criminal makes for himself.
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Now, how long until a cop hits a bike for running?
has happened in houston within the last 2 months..
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you quite obviously have not been stopped by the police and then accused of running when you clearly were not and had no intentions of running. I think you're missing the point of what has been said.
This supreme court has made a series of dumb decisions in recent years. I recall one a year ago that the cops do not have to annouce themselves when serving a search warrant. Much the above, I can see more bad than good coming from it.
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next time i see a cop drivin down the road yapin on his cell phone, i think i'm going to ram his car and attempt to arrest him for public endangerment. after all, he would be "threatening the lives of innocent bystanders" just as Victor Harris was.
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Your comment here would suggest it is ok for everyone to run over a small misdimeanor and get away with it because the cops shouldn't endanger everyone.
to me that all comes down to each person. would YOU run in this situation or as before just man up and stop.
not EVEYONE would run when they get lit up.
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Old 05-01-2007, 02:23 PM   #34
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"to me that all comes down to each person. would YOU run in this situation or as before just man up and stop."

Seems to me, stop and man up then you've got nothing to worry about.

Try to run, and you've provided the law reason to chase and use what ever force they deem neccessary to remove the risk of you injuring others.
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"to me that all comes down to each person. would YOU run in this situation or as before just man up and stop."

Seems to me, stop and man up then you've got nothing to worry about.

Try to run, and you've provided the law reason to chase and use what ever force they deem neccessary to remove the risk of you injuring others.
Come on, we are on bikes how much damage could we do. I mean cagers take us out everyday and now we have worry about gumball lights cagers taking us out legally? Sheesh.
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Cant cops just give tickets later or track down people that have run???? i mean they have thier licence plate number right?

Im guessing this wouldnt work if the vehicle is stolen. :dontknow:
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"to me that all comes down to each person. would YOU run in this situation or as before just man up and stop."

Seems to me, stop and man up then you've got nothing to worry about.

Try to run, and you've provided the law reason to chase and use what ever force they deem neccessary to remove the risk of you injuring others.
Amen!

It's really this simple; don't run and you've nothing to worry about, do and you now have an additional consequence.

It seems to me that too many people think they should get a free pass and not have to take responsibility for their actions.
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to me that all comes down to each person. would YOU run in this situation or as before just man up and stop.
not EVEYONE would run when they get lit up.
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Cant cops just give tickets later or track down people that have run???? i mean they have thier licence plate number right?

Im guessing this wouldnt work if the vehicle is stolen. :dontknow:
How are they gonna prove who was actually riding the bike?
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