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Old 03-21-2014, 12:01 AM   #1
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MotoGP to reconsider?

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...tice-in-qatar/

So the new "Open" class machines (kind of a replacement for the CRT class) are WAY faster than the factory bikes

There are a couple reasons why this could change, but right now it looks like the effort (more fuel and softer tires) to reduce the gap to the factory bikes has gone TOO far

I presume they'll just change the rules... again.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:23 AM   #2
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Colin Edwards ahead of Marquez you say .....

wait there are only 6 factory bikes right now or has it always been that way ? I guess the ducs are open class now. So do you think they make a change in the rules before the first race or mid season ?

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Old 03-21-2014, 07:41 AM   #3
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None of the factory teams tested at qatar last week, open bikes did. Marquez is hurt and JLo/Rossi have no grip with the new tires. Espargaro will still be up there, but the times/order will change a lot today.
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should be interesting how it all pans out the next few days
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None of the factory teams tested at qatar last week, open bikes did. Marquez is hurt and JLo/Rossi have no grip with the new tires. Espargaro will still be up there, but the times/order will change a lot today.
I concur
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Chase got it right. I was still surprised to see marquez so far down, even with his injury I figured he would still tear it up. It will be an interesting race for sure.
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This is also free practice. How will those softer tires hold up at race pace for the full duration of the race?
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Without their million dollar ECUs controlling the bikes, looks like Honda and Yamaha have lost their advantage. These new rules are just going to keep the top.riders honest and have to actually earn their wins through greater skills as opposed to greater machinery.
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Not race results, but 1 factory bike in the top 3 is surprising.

1 93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 338.6 1'54.507
2 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini Honda 340.1 1'54.564 0.057 / 0.057
3 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 336.5 1'54.601 0.094 / 0.037
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 340.9 1'54.644 0.137 / 0.043
5 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 332.9 1'54.661 0.154 / 0.017
6 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 339.9 1'54.703 0.196 / 0.042
7 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 338.5 1'54.871 0.364 / 0.168
8 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Ducati Team Ducati 337.9 1'54.888 0.381 / 0.017
9 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 326.2 1'54.986 0.479 / 0.098
10 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Movistar Yamaha MotoGP Yamaha 336.7 1'55.096 0.589 / 0.110
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Old 04-08-2014, 02:34 AM   #10
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Top speeds, too.

93 Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 348.3 Race
4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team DUCATI 348.3 Free Practice Nr. 2
19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA GO&FUN Honda Gresini HONDA 347.7 Race
29 Andrea IANNONE ITA Pramac Racing DUCATI 346.7 Free Practice Nr. 4
26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 346.2 Race
44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 YAMAHA 346.0 Free Practice Nr. 1
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I'm not sure of the reasoning for your post, Rossi qualified 10th and was less than a second behind Marc who started on pole. The first open rider was in 4th with how many factory riders that crashed out in front if him? Considering there is only 6 factory riders(I may be wrong) and Ducati always gets beat by satellite teams then I'm not sure this really mixed things up or gave open class too much of an advantage.

Still this season could be interesting with lots of good open class riders that may be able to challenge the top riders.
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I'm not sure of the reasoning for your post
The rules changed, and I was commenting on the idea the new rules MAY have gone too far, and the open bikes MIGHT actually have the advantage over factory bikes.

The finishing order was very close, which still leads me to think the factory bikes are overly handicapped (even though talent won out).
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Talent is supposed to be how teams win, not unlimited checkbooks. Watching everyone chase Hondas gets kinda boring. IMO
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I know the purpose of the thread, your post only showed qualifying and top speeds but not the race results. Posting 2013 Qatar results compared to 2014 Qatar results would be interesting to how far back the satelite bikes were. It was nice seeing a big group for the first half of the race.
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2014...
1st FACTORY Marc MARQUEZ SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 166.4 42'40.561
1st OPEN A. ESPARGARO SPA NGM Forward Racing Forward Yamaha 165.6 +11.623
Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 165.6 +12.159

2013...
1st FACTORY Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 166.4 42'39.802
1st CRT Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 165.2 +18.764
Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Ducati Team Ducati 164.8 +24.355

The winner/factory bike times rose ~.7 seconds
Top CRT/Open dropped ~7.1 seconds
Dovizioso (on the same bike as last year) dropped ~12.2 seconds
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So it didn't slow down the factory riders just sped up the open bikes. Which makes sense since CRT/satelite last year didn't really have any advantages at all. So the bikes were sub par and "lower" quality riders. Also cal crutchlow was not CRT last year he was in motogp. Aleix usually finished in 11 place or so and dominated the CRT class.

I thought Ducati updated their bike for this year.

The other interesting thing is how many front runners crashed out. Jorge, bradly, and one other I believe, they might have finished even closer to Marc. This weekend will be interesting for sure.

Thanks for looking that stuff up, really interesting.
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I like the way it is headed. I prefer a race with more than 3-4 riders dicing for the lead.
Now that Spies is retired I don't have anyone in particular to root for, so would be nice to see some good racing.
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