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Old 03-10-2014, 05:01 PM   #21
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That's not what I hear at all. From talking to guys who actually deal with manufacturing over there, they are happy to produce whatever quality you're willing to pay for. The reason you have 17 different brands of seemingly "identical" bikes coming out of the same factory is quality control. You've got your domestic/regional client who demands "X quality" standard. Since someone is still willing to buy that lower quality , they sell "X quality" rejects to the next lower standard... and so on until you've got your $1999 249cc Phoenix Baja or whatever they sell at Pep Boys.

The impression I get is that once you've paid for your Japanese manufacturing quality standards +shipping & importation, you've got the price of a Japanese bike with a Chinese name and the stigma that goes with it.
Exactly what I've heard in closed door conferences.
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Old 03-11-2014, 08:05 AM   #22
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and it looks like there'll be a naked cbr300 F-model soon...
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...50f-trademark/
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Kind of surprised since the cb500 just came out I wonder if it will make it over here.
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Old 03-11-2014, 10:37 AM   #24
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Chinese OEMs can produce at any quality level that the customer is willing to pay for. They have so far being making tons of cheap goods because that's what the importers think we, the consumers, want. Legions of Walmart shoppers have proved them right. So there are no incentives to raise quality - and price.

Regardless of the perception, China has also been product some very high quality goods. Think Apple and iPad/iPhone. The product design ideas might be from the USA, but they are mostly engineered and mfr'ed by FoxConn in China.

Look to Chinese companies wanting to compete globally on their own, instead of simply providing cheap labor for other companies, who grab most of the profit. To do that, they need quality, brand recognition, and IP (intellectual property). They will get there, sooner than later.
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looks like Triumph will be throwing a hat into the 250cc ring as well...

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...torcycle-2015/

For my money though, as far as looks/power/weight combo, I think I'd have to go with the KTM

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...etails-photos/
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Old 03-11-2014, 12:14 PM   #26
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Try this Chinese 250cc ADV:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bike...dventure-bike/

Zongshen RX3 Minsk TRX300i Honley adv 05
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Man, i hope that KTM comes here.

Thats a stupid fun dedicated track bike if ive ever seen one.
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That ktm looks very very fun
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yes it does!
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Yeah, I've seen that Zongshen before. It seems like I've heard Zongshen spoken well of (in the context of scooters, maybe?) in terms of reliability, I just don't know how I feel about taking a bike that's already pushing it's limits at prolonged highway speeds and then adding on weight in luggage.
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Yeah, I've seen that Zongshen before. It seems like I've heard Zongshen spoken well of (in the context of scooters, maybe?) in terms of reliability, I just don't know how I feel about taking a bike that's already pushing it's limits at prolonged highway speeds and then adding on weight in luggage.
I think it depends on the type of riding to be done with it. You're right, that thing is not meant to for cruising at USA hwy speeds for hours on end. But for countries that tax bike per CC, which essentially penalizes large displacement bikes, a 250cc might do just fine navigating through tight streets and winding trails at lower speeds.

I remember riding as a passenger in a BMW 518i in Taiwan and thinking how such a car would be received in the US. Probably not very well. But for many parts of Asia and Europe, small engines make a lot of sense.
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Oh, I don't fault the size of the engine, and if I lived in a place where I could just jump right on to hundreds of miles of trails, it seems like it would be a fun bike to throw a tent on and get lost for several days, but this just isn't the right geographical region for that. And while I like the storage, the "adventure" get-up is a little overkill for commuting.

I could see myself making use of an adventure bike in the 500-650 cc range, but it would have to be capable of carrying me and about 100 lbs of camping gear all day on the interstate because I won't trailer a bike a few hundred miles just to ride it the destination.
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Absolutely. A lot of guys trailer to 3Sisters, but I prefer to ride there and back, which always end up being more than half the fun. Lots of winding back roads between here and Leakey.

I agree 500-650cc is minimum for a workable all-around ADV here in the US. If I were in the market for one - and my short legs say I'm not - I'd jump straight up to the new '14 V-Strom 1000, which has a bunch more cojones without a lot more weight.
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