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Old 03-02-2014, 06:05 PM   #1
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10 or so years from now bikes like the 675R (made from 2011-2012), or the BMW S1000RR, or any other Special Edition/Limited Edition Model will they hold their value or up their value like a Ducati Desmosedici?

*I'm using the Ducati as an example*
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IMO 10 years is not long enough for a bike to be a classic. But I would assume that the first edition bikes would be more sought after. Maybe a few special editions, but they would be few and far between.

What bikes today are sought after that are classics? Why are they classics? And can you apply that reasoning to any bikes today?

When I think classic I think BMW r50... Or cb650...
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Probably not, however if anybody could predict that we'd all invest in the ones that will hold their value.
When I was a teenager cards that seemed pretty common were no big deal. Had a friend with a 68 Dodge coronet 440 convertible. We hauled around and smoked the tires. Who knew it would be highly desirable today?
Motorcycles area little different. There are very few that have reached collector status. No way to know what people will desire in the future.
I'm thinking most that become collectable will be ones that had very limited production numbers but we're very desirable at the time they were made. Like desmocedicis.
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Not sure, As of right now it seems a lot of old school bikes are desirable

IE: My KZ1000, A CB750 Four, ect, ect.

I think if it was a trend setter or first that would probably make it a collector later on down the road, see the 60's CB750's or the Kawa Z1's
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The Desmosedici has racing heritage and rarity in its favor which ticks two huge collector boxes. A "classic" doesn't really mean hold or increase in value like you suggested in the thread.

For a classic bike, some sold very well in huge numbers like the CB750 which are certainly classics and then you have bikes like the CBX1000 that sold miserably and were flops that have increased in price recently because they are cult bikes.

So anything different (70's smokers, 80's turbo's) can be a cult bike but not in 10 years.
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I would only considered a bike made before 2000 a classic. With that said, the 1999 Yamaha R7 would come mind.
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2006 # ed and plated 50th anniversary R1.

Classic would be personified there. Long history of top performance and overachieving a esthetics. Upgraded bits like Ohlins suspension, brembo brakes, and Marachini wheels help.
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My list of "classics"

Kawi 750 H2 triple
69' honda CB750
Early 70's Z1000 and later KZ1000 kawis
Early 80s Suzuki GS1150
86' GSXR1100
85' VMAX
91' ZX11
98' R1
99 Hayabusa

All classics, not because of their age, but because of what they did, what they paved the way for, and the performance innovations they brought, records they set etc etc..

Ofcourse any of the old Triumphs, Nortons, BSAs, BMWs are all "classics"... But I prefer the term classic meaning they did something for the sport.
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I like Alan's list. I would love to have a GS1150E.

To add to the already mentioned R7. There is the Ninja ZX-7RR.
I think they only made it for one or two years back in the early 90's.
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Classics? In the sense of being a collector's item, what comes to mind for me are things like Vincent Black Knight, Honda NR/NR500/NR750, Arial Square Four, and the like. Bikes that you may only get to see 1 or 2 of in your entire life.

There are some legendary bikes (engines) that have been mentioned before, but they were all fairly high production units that don't especially hold value: Honda CB's (CB750 especially), GSX-R 1100, original Yamaha R1, Hayabusa, etc. While you may see them as a "classic" bike, I don't think that any of these will make a particularly good "investment" as far as providing you any return on investment.
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My list of "classics"
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Ofcourse any of the old Triumphs, Nortons, BSAs, BMWs are all "classics"... But I prefer the term classic meaning they did something for the sport.
Like the original Triumph / BSA Rocket III?
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10 or so years from now bikes like the 675R (made from 2011-2012), or the BMW S1000RR, or any other Special Edition/Limited Edition Model will they hold their value or up their value like a Ducati Desmosedici?

*I'm using the Ducati as an example*
First problem is your comparing a desmo to your average run of the mill street bikes. Can never compare an actual street legal motogp bike to anything else. Then you have to look at production numbers. Now those bikes might be considered classics, but that will probably be just a bunch of old guys reminiscing what they used to own. In my opinion, I haven't seen a bike worth collecting made past 2008 and that year was the desmo. Sport classics and mh900's have basically doubled what they sold for new in 2006. Just saying,
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2006 # ed and plated 50th anniversary R1.

Classic would be personified there. Long history of top performance and overachieving a esthetics. Upgraded bits like Ohlins suspension, brembo brakes, and Marachini wheels help.
Absolutely agree with that one
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....I don't think that any of these will make a particularly good "investment" as far as providing you any return on investment.
anything with wheels is not an investment....cars / bikes are money pits...

But I like buying them LOL
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Speed Triples will be. Really it depends on what the culture is, if some movie comes out with those bikes in it and stuff.
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Speed Triples will be.
Why? I have heard that before, but what is the justification? not knocking it, just wondering.. and if we go mk1 triumphs why not the daytona super III? all MK1's seem to be few and far inbetween... but the super III's even more so..
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Speed Triples will be. Really it depends on what the culture is, if some movie comes out with those bikes in it and stuff.
I like the triple, but that's just wishful thinking
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First problem is your comparing a desmo to your average run of the mill street bikes. Can never compare an actual street legal motogp bike to anything else. Then you have to look at production numbers. Now those bikes might be considered classics, but that will probably be just a bunch of old guys reminiscing what they used to own. In my opinion, I haven't seen a bike worth collecting made past 2008 and that year was the desmo. Sport classics and mh900's have basically doubled what they sold for new in 2006. Just saying,
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And don't buy a bike as a investment if that was the plan.Classic and collectible is 2 different things.Not all old bikes are sought after.

I can see the new 1199 Superleggera being a collector bike.
-Only 500 built,100 for US
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Speaking of old expensive bikes,one day I can see myself paying a nice chunk for a clean 999.

I don't care if its an R but even non R's 05-06 models fetch around or pass $8k for a nice example.The swing arm on the previous years looks ugly to me.

Would I pay $8-10k for a 05-06 CBR1000,etc? no.
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IMO 10 years is not long enough for a bike to be a classic. But I would assume that the first edition bikes would be more sought after. Maybe a few special editions, but they would be few and far between.

What bikes today are sought after that are classics? Why are they classics? And can you apply that reasoning to any bikes today?

When I think classic I think BMW r50... Or cb650...
I agree, after making my post 10years is not long enough. I had the 1st Gen Kawi 636 and the Honda f4i in mind since both are still sought after today.

those are the questions I asked myself before making this thread.

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Probably not, however if anybody could predict that we'd all invest in the ones that will hold their value.
When I was a teenager cards that seemed pretty common were no big deal. Had a friend with a 68 Dodge coronet 440 convertible. We hauled around and smoked the tires. Who knew it would be highly desirable today?
Motorcycles area little different. There are very few that have reached collector status. No way to know what people will desire in the future.
I'm thinking most that become collectable will be ones that had very limited production numbers but we're very desirable at the time they were made. Like desmocedicis.
I agree, I am curious to know what 2013/2014 people would buy today that they would think 20 so years from now will hold its value or be worth more.

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Not sure, As of right now it seems a lot of old school bikes are desirable

IE: My KZ1000, A CB750 Four, ect, ect.

I think if it was a trend setter or first that would probably make it a collector later on down the road, see the 60's CB750's or the Kawa Z1's
I remeber in the 90's the Kawi Ninja's were sought after. what was that bike Pam rode in Barbwire?
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The Desmosedici has racing heritage and rarity in its favor which ticks two huge collector boxes. A "classic" doesn't really mean hold or increase in value like you suggested in the thread.

For a classic bike, some sold very well in huge numbers like the CB750 which are certainly classics and then you have bikes like the CBX1000 that sold miserably and were flops that have increased in price recently because they are cult bikes.

So anything different (70's smokers, 80's turbo's) can be a cult bike but not in 10 years.
Classic was a word I chose instead of vintage. I guess I should've titled this thread "What makes a bike appreciate" But it would get in modifications and engine builds, not the direction I wanted this thread to go in. I even thought about using the word "invest" somewhere in the title but again wrong direction. I hear a lot of riders describe sports bike as "they are pretty much all the same, but that one has this and this one has that" I felt as though (for now) these 2 bikes have stood out among the rest.
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Classics? In the sense of being a collector's item, what comes to mind for me are things like Vincent Black Knight, Honda NR/NR500/NR750, Arial Square Four, and the like. Bikes that you may only get to see 1 or 2 of in your entire life.

There are some legendary bikes (engines) that have been mentioned before, but they were all fairly high production units that don't especially hold value: Honda CB's (CB750 especially), GSX-R 1100, original Yamaha R1, Hayabusa, etc. While you may see them as a "classic" bike, I don't think that any of these will make a particularly good "investment" as far as providing you any return on investment.
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First problem is your comparing a desmo to your average run of the mill street bikes. Can never compare an actual street legal motogp bike to anything else. Then you have to look at production numbers. Now those bikes might be considered classics, but that will probably be just a bunch of old guys reminiscing what they used to own. In my opinion, I haven't seen a bike worth collecting made past 2008 and that year was the desmo. Sport classics and mh900's have basically doubled what they sold for new in 2006. Just saying,

edit: disregard the first part of my reply I missed where you said you were using the desmo as an example
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And I have. Example NOT a comparison different class of bike IMO

I can see your point when I think about the Honda Repsol edition. "but that will probably be just a bunch of old guys reminiscing what they used to own" that is how I feel about muscle cars, and the sold for 10x's (estimated) what their original MSRP was. Why can't sportsbikes hold that some value?
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