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Old 02-24-2014, 05:41 PM   #1
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BP adaptation for street riding

When we were riding in Tenessee ...Tail of the dragon...US 129...I had to make adjustments to my body position when taking tight right turns to be able to get a better visual around the rock wall...trees and bushes..

Just thought I'd share....I even used dirt bike style BP around some corners....and did just fine...
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If you want to quickly avoid some debris on the highway that's less than a couple of feet wide, just lift your off the seat and steer the bike around it. The bike does a quick lean while your body stays basically upright.
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Be careful with posted pic like this ... The track Gods will soon tell you how criss crossed you ride ...
I am sure they would even comment on this guy racing here at the TT...
At the BORC the guard rails are your friends, it takes skills to learn to lean on it....
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My camera was fooked until the last day of the ride, so most of the video I have is of a VMax and a ZX12. I may have some video from the second day when we were all still going slow. I'll check when I get home.
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My true intent was to share my experience riding the smokey mountain several times and how it was difficult to use the " track recommended" bP when taking right corners when the cliff wall or what not is inches from hitting body parts and also limited visibility around the corner.

What is taught at the track is 100% correct and works very well in those open conditions where the podium is visible from across the track. It also works well on Texas flatlands. It also works on several other roads, but when you come up on a corner like the one in the OP pic. You have to make that split second decision to lift the torso away from the wall/ bush/ guardrail....

Although ... The smart thing would be to slow the down and go around the corner with less lean and speed.
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My true intent was to share my experience riding the smokey mountain several times and how it was difficult to use the " track recommended" bP when taking right corners when the cliff wall or what not is inches from hitting body parts and also limited visibility around the corner.

What is taught at the track is 100% correct and works very well in those open conditions where the podium is visible from across the track. It also works well on Texas flatlands. It also works on several other roads, but when you come up on a corner like the one in the OP pic. You have to make that split second decision to lift the torso away from the wall/ bush/ guardrail....

Although ... The smart thing would be to slow the down and go around the corner with less lean and speed.
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The other track teaching that doesn't work on the street is the "line"...

On blind corners and most street stuff, you are much better to hold off and late apex.. gives you more view thru the turn and you aren't commited to wide-tight-wide.. at speed you'll have to turn harder/quicker tho, so rider abilities are what is the bottom line.

And whats this "slow the down" thing you mention?? Brakes are for sissies!! LOL!
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When we were riding in Tenessee ...Tail of the dragon...US 129...I had to make adjustments to my body position when taking tight right turns to be able to get a better visual around the rock wall...trees and bushes..

Just thought I'd share....I even used dirt bike style BP around some corners....and did just fine...
You sure you didn't have to make adjustments in your body position because there is now 40 more lbs of body to position. Just saying!
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The other track teaching that doesn't work on the street is the "line"...

On blind corners and most street stuff, you are much better to hold off and late apex..
And whats this "slow the down" thing you mention?? Brakes are for sissies!! LOL!
Yeah! Late apex is what I do.. And so used to...but on the track it seems to keep me from utilizing the entire track and slows me down.

I thought I said slowing down would be the "smart" thing to do...


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Track days help a lot though. I have seen it personally help me become a much safer rider... I now keep plenty of run off room... Much smoother on the acceleration and deceleration.
I have seen dramatic improvement in riders just after a couple of trackdays. To name a few:
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Umayr aka r6racer... . He has come a long way..
Mkgsxr.. Wow... I remember following him and saying.. I hope he makes it home alive.. Now he races and is pretty fast.
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Fox357.. he did track days for a year and he became a whole new and improved breed of rider..

Track days will give you the tools to survive on 2 wheels. Just make sure you use the right tools for the right task.
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The other track teaching that doesn't work on the street is the "line"...

On blind corners and most street stuff, you are much better to hold off and late apex.. gives you more view thru the turn and you aren't commited to wide-tight-wide.. at speed you'll have to turn harder/quicker tho, so rider abilities are what is the bottom line.

And whats this "slow the down" thing you mention?? Brakes are for sissies!! LOL!
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