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Old 02-25-2014, 04:28 PM   #121
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Most of this thread is the blind leading the blind.
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:33 PM   #122
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Not trying to add to the trash talk bandwagon or anything because I'm new myself and have yet to even attempt to push any limits...but after 10+ years and 4 track days, wouldn't you expect better riding from most people?

Maybe He just isn't cut out for riding at a high rate of speed? It's better that He realizes that now rather than continue on a path of self destruction. Maybe this can serve as a wake up call...
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hat is the average yearly mileage for a motorcycle?
Obviously mileage will vary from year to year and model to model. A simple guide could be to consider the type of bike you are looking at: If the bike is a sportbike 600 c.c. to 999 c.c., and since these bikes are traditionally weekend only bikes, you can expect to see lower miles, about 3,000 miles per year. Tourers or Sport Tourers usually see a lot of miles, but these are generally freeway miles, between 5,000 to 6,000 miles per year.
So lets say Mr.Sporty rides 30k miles and 4 track days.

Then take someone like me who rides 15-20k a year, commuting, tracking, and backroads hooliganism.

15k(Conservative estimate) x 10 years = 150,000 Miles vs 30,000 Miles.

Also, if you ride infrequently or just bar hop you never plateau your skill level since you a re sort of relearning basics every time you ride.
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Still, looking at the list of bikes, i'd say he's been riding over his head for years. Straight-lines and corners. Not turns, corners.

And 4 track days doesn't mean much if you don't show up to LEARN. You can blast a 1k around the track sucking at the turns and blasting on the straights. Doesn't mean you learned anything.
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You can blast a 1k around the track sucking at the turns and blasting on the straights. Doesn't mean you learned anything.
Track days are full of folks on liter bikes that blast the straights and park in the corners. Plus, just showing up and riding on a track isn't as effective as having some instruction on how to properly do so. Taking a school or two or three and practicing what you learned is a much more effective way to spend a track day.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:08 PM   #125
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Which is why ridesmart is awesome because you get free instruction in the cost of a track day.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:38 PM   #126
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Agree completely with the track day school wisdom.

I cannot tell you how many times that exact miscalculation as seen in the video happens with little or no consequence short of soiling ones leathers.

The track is the place to learn how to ride fast, not the street.

The price of failure is usually much higher on the street.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:56 PM   #127
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Tough crowd.

Glad both are OK.

We all crash eventually.

My first time on those roads in the late 90's I was VERY cautious as I was paranoid about going over the side. Since then, I've taken a lot of "good" riders (street and track) to the Hill Country for their first time and seen many of them look like beginners. I always dial it back or warn them that I will see them at the next intersection.

The key is to be aware of your abilities and note if you are distracted by the cliffs and rock faces; then adjust as needed, regardless of the other riders' pace.

If leading or following someone obviously having difficulties, pull the over and talk to them.

When I go out there now, I don't even notice the beautiful views.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:40 PM   #129
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:48 PM   #130
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With the list of bikes you have or had, how many years riding experience does that equate to. Good to learn from mistakes(which we have all made) but you should be thankful you were not on the twin turbo busa I think you would have been ejected into orbit.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:47 PM   #131
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I'm only going to chime in cause I know the guy. He's a great rider! The only thing that played a factor is unfamiliar territory and also while it looked like every turn was wide I think what ever was on the other side of the gaurd rail kept him away until target fixation kicked in. Again great guy and just a opinion just like everyone else.
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Taking a school or two or three and practicing what you learned is a much more effective way to spend a track day.
Pretty much a no brainer.
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I have crashed MANY times....some were funny and some not so funny. I could have avoided all those crashes if i was riding within my comfort zone and riding within the safe limits for the given weather. The time that i hit a deer and broke my ankles among other injuries, was a combination of speed and skiddish deer.

No matter how fast you get...how much lean you can achieve ..or how much you counter steer...how many track days you do...how many races you win...or how high your post count is, the best way to reduce your chance of a crash on the street is to ridesmart.
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I have crashed MANY times....some were funny and some not so funny. I could have avoided all those crashes if i was riding within my comfort zone and riding within the safe limits for the given weather. The time that i hit a deer and broke my ankles among other injuries, was a combination of speed and skiddish deer.

No matter how fast you get...how much lean you can achieve ..or how much you counter steer...how many track days you do...how many races you win...or how high your post count is, the best way to reduce your chance of a crash on the street is to ridesmart.
I see what you did there.
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