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Old 02-25-2014, 06:47 AM   #81
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Wonder how ins. Is going to play out, 2nd biker obviously following too close for speeds and conditions. Bring out the video of them all riding beyond local laws.
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:24 AM   #82
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:35 AM   #83
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I think the guy who crashed messed up too. Thats the point of giving much more than 2 seconds when following someone. Even on a noob ride. Try counting 2 seconds, thats still not enough. MSF gots it wrong!
Looks like he was only 1 second behind
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Ok Guys, Thanks FOr All The Bashing.. Idk Wtf I Was Thinking, Def A Rookie Mistake. I'm No racer, Never Claimed To Be. Just flat Out Up. everyone Has Made Mistakes, Has Lost focus Etc. at some Point. Some Able To recover, unfortunately I Didn't. Not My Normal Riding at All & Def A Humbling experience.
Dont worry about all the bashing, this is MH....Get well and get back on it, do few track days and you will improve dramatically......
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Dont worry about all the bashing, this is MH....Get well and get back on it, do few track days and you will improve dramatically......
Always good to see some constructive and positive re-inforcement come from the "dark" side..
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Always good to see some constructive and positive re-inforcement come from the "dark" side..
It Takes practice and experience to get on the "Dark side " and ride at BORC pace consistently, track days are a must to know what your bike can really do....
As a reminder if you find yourself in a tight spot... You will run out of "" before you run out of LEan!!
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:18 AM   #89
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if the trailing bike was an S1000rr it has ABS and should not have been able to lock the rear brakes unless switched off in "slick" mode
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:25 AM   #90
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I said he locked his rear brake.. I was wrong to assume so quickly.. After reviewing the video it looks like he did nothing.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:30 AM   #91
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I think the guy who crashed messed up too. Thats the point of giving much more than 2 seconds when following someone. Even on a noob ride. Try counting 2 seconds, thats still not enough. MSF gots it wrong!
2 seconds is the MINIMUM distance and only to be used under ideal conditions. Riding on a road with blind curves at speed does not constitute an ideal condition.

Next time pay attention during class.
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Next time pay attention during class.
He's too busy scouting for curb monkeys
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2 seconds is the MINIMUM distance and only to be used under ideal conditions. Riding on a road with blind curves at speed does not constitute an ideal condition.

Next time pay attention during class.
+1, 2 seconds is minimum when conditions are ideal. Number of things going on-how many factors of risk can you handle? I see speed, someone riding past there ability, not being able to look through the turns, direct sunlight, etc. all of these factors contributed to this crash. If you remember anything from the course all crashes are preventable, there is seldom a single cause.
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I said he locked his rear brake.. I was wrong to assume so quickly.. After reviewing the video it looks like he did nothing.
F&R brakes are linked on the S1000rr so pulling the front lever will induce some rear brake as well. Still he gave himself inadequate distance to avoid the accident
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Also for some "free" training watch Keith codes twist of the wrist II DVD. He explains this situation almost exactly for the front rider and how to avoid it. I make it a habit it to watch it every spring. Once you have watched it two or 3 times, get to the track and get good instruction. Ridesmart offers it free, other companies offer it for a very modest fee when compared to the cost to repair your bike.

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I said he locked his rear brake.. I was wrong to assume so quickly.. After reviewing the video it looks like he did nothing.
Was that a S1000RR? They all have ABS. Hopefully it wasn't disengaged.
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I made the same mistake my first week on a ss. I was lucky there was no curb or rail. There was a nice ditch. I ended up outside the turn in the grass but kept it out of the ditch. Lesson learned and nothing broken or tore up.
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Old 02-25-2014, 11:02 AM   #98
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Everytime I hear someone say "BORC" now I think of that stupid Jack in the Box commercial...
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