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Old 02-24-2014, 10:17 AM   #41
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My thoughts exactly...
that and the obvious lack of gear...

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I know it wont be brought up because the riders are cops, buuuut, if they hit the car hard enough to spin it a 180, is it possible they were speeding and then the car driver couldnt judge their distance properly because if they were going the posted, she would have had plenty of time to cross their path.

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Any word on if the rider was wearing a helmet? That is typically mentioned in articles but I can't find it.
I was watching the evening news and pictures of the couple were shown pre crash. No helmets.
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Picture is years old. Dana and Linda were Los Carnales LEMC.
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Picture is years old. Dana and Linda were Los Carnales LEMC.
Does that mean they were wearing any gear? I understand there are many people that like to take a strole down the seawall, but this incedent cost them, more than I wish it would've. I'm still trying to (in my head, equate the impact of a moto with enough velocity to spin a car 180 degrees) figure out how that is possible at ~40mph.

Don't worry Bevo, I'm working on a scale scenario with matchbox cars and marbles, I just have to get the marble weight + crossing and tragectory right. Then I can give you a scientific report.

My condolences to all family and surviving.
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Does that mean they were wearing any gear? I understand there are many people that like to take a strole down the seawall, but this incedent cost them, more than I wish it would've. I'm still trying to (in my head, equate the impact of a moto with enough velocity to spin a car 180 degrees) figure out how that is possible at ~40mph.

Don't worry Bevo, I'm working on a scale scenario with matchbox cars and marbles, I just have to get the marble weight + crossing and tragectory right. Then I can give you a scientific report.

My condolences to all family and surviving.
Waiting on your model... make sure you control for the things you can't scale, I am expecting some Buckingham Pi theorem analysis with fundamental units. Im just going to sit here until you post results.
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Waiting on your model... make sure you control for the things you can't scale, I am expecting some Buckingham Pi theorem analysis with fundamental units. Im just going to sit here until you post results.
I'd just like to know some basic facts of the case that seem to be present in every article on a motorcycle or drunk driving fatality and absent in this one. Rider had helmet or not. High rate of speed?

What was the blood-alcohol level of the girl? Because in Texas anyone under 21 that has higher than 00.00% is intoxicated if driving.
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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.

Tweedy was in my chapter, a past president, a longtime Carnal. He's a friend. I visited him in the shock room after the doctors called it, and I cried. I collected his colors. His wife Linda is still fighting for her life. She's a very good woman, dedicated to Harley's Angels, which exists to raise money for breast cancer research.

You know, if you want to gripe about how if it were a liter bike and you wish you got respect, you know, you really gotta show respect, and be something other than just someone who rode a bike. Tweedy gets a lot of sympathy from the media and police because he was a public servant for so many years, and because he was senselessly killed by a young girl who didn't give two cents about laws. Tweedy attended benefits, paid his money to help others, always had something nice to say to someone, knew a great deal of people, he made an impact on the world that knew him. THAT gets you attention and sympathy, whether you ride or not.
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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.

Tweedy was in my chapter, a past president, a longtime Carnal. He's a friend. I visited him in the shock room after the doctors called it, and I cried. I collected his colors. His wife Linda is still fighting for her life. She's a very good woman, dedicated to Harley's Angels, which exists to raise money for breast cancer research.

You know, if you want to gripe about how if it were a liter bike and you wish you got respect, you know, you really gotta show respect, and be something other than just someone who rode a bike. Tweedy gets a lot of sympathy from the media and police because he was a public servant for so many years, and because he was senselessly killed by a young girl who didn't give two cents about laws. Tweedy attended benefits, paid his money to help others, always had something nice to say to someone, knew a great deal of people, he made an impact on the world that knew him. THAT gets you attention and sympathy, whether you ride or not.
My condolences to you LCF Brain, and anyone who knew them.
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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.

Tweedy was in my chapter, a past president, a longtime Carnal. He's a friend. I visited him in the shock room after the doctors called it, and I cried. I collected his colors. His wife Linda is still fighting for her life. She's a very good woman, dedicated to Harley's Angels, which exists to raise money for breast cancer research.

You know, if you want to gripe about how if it were a liter bike and you wish you got respect, you know, you really gotta show respect, and be something other than just someone who rode a bike. Tweedy gets a lot of sympathy from the media and police because he was a public servant for so many years, and because he was senselessly killed by a young girl who didn't give two cents about laws. Tweedy attended benefits, paid his money to help others, always had something nice to say to someone, knew a great deal of people, he made an impact on the world that knew him. THAT gets you attention and sympathy, whether you ride or not.
I'm sorry for your loss, it sounds like society lost another "good one", RIP Tweedy
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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.

Tweedy was in my chapter, a past president, a longtime Carnal. He's a friend. I visited him in the shock room after the doctors called it, and I cried. I collected his colors. His wife Linda is still fighting for her life. She's a very good woman, dedicated to Harley's Angels, which exists to raise money for breast cancer research.

You know, if you want to gripe about how if it were a liter bike and you wish you got respect, you know, you really gotta show respect, and be something other than just someone who rode a bike. Tweedy gets a lot of sympathy from the media and police because he was a public servant for so many years, and because he was senselessly killed by a young girl who didn't give two cents about laws. Tweedy attended benefits, paid his money to help others, always had something nice to say to someone, knew a great deal of people, he made an impact on the world that knew him. THAT gets you attention and sympathy, whether you ride or not.
Sorry for your loss...

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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.
Good points, add in the fact that she was accelerating and presumably turning. Then any impact behind the CG is going push the rear around, equivalent to a PIT maneuver. If she wasn't paying attention, then you can add in that she was probably on the gas throughout the rotation.

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I do find this just a tad bit on the questionable side. I understand Harley weigh a bit especially two up... But we are talking about 4,000lbs vs 800-1000lbs ... Ah well I don't plan on arguing it though... Sucks this had to happen...

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I do find this just a tad bit on the questionable side. I understand Harley weigh a bit especially two up... But we are talking about 4,000lbs vs 800-1000lbs ... Ah well I don't plan on arguing it though... Sucks this had to happen...

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Not hard for a 1000 lb cruiser to spin a 4000 lb car. Robby is basically correct. What matters in the strike placement is not behind the axle, but behind the center of gravity of the car. You take 1000 lbs and slam it behind the center of gravity into a 4000 lb object, and it will spin that object. Period.

Now consider the car position is probably not dead sideways but at some oncoming angle as the girl was coming out of Valero parking lot toward the bike. Yes, they struck the door, but not at an exact sideways shot. Witnesses who were following estimated his speed at 40 MPH.
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Some people just flat out fail at physics. Its not a 1000# bike at 40. Its a wrecking ball. Get it?
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