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Old 04-26-2007, 05:49 AM   #1
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thoughts on memorializing........

I just wanted to inject some real perspective here. We so often, as motorcyclists, claim the role of the victim. We fail to realize that we are also the assailant most of the time. We are operating a guided, and at times, a misguided missile. I know some of you will not agree with me, but the truth hurts sometimes. Roger was a great guy, and a good friend to a lot of people. His loss is great, and has impacted a lot of lives. I want to say up front that in no way am I bashing Roger, so do not misconstrue that.

What I am saying is you have to call it like it is. What Iíve been reading here the last few days is nothing more than most turning a blind eye to an unfortunate and deliberate act of violence on Rogerís part. What I see is an overwhelming outpouring of compassion to the friends and family of Roger and the other parties involved, which makes me proud to be a part of Motohouston. However I cannot understand memorializing someone who took another manís life. What Roger did was no accident. He willfully and deliberately, although unknowingly, committed premeditated homicide. He chose to ride too fast and paid the ultimate price. However he also took the life of another man, and seriously injured his female passenger. That man, Jorden, will never get to get married, or witness the birth of his children, or see them grow up, or hug his mom, or anything else. That man had family members and friends that will never get to see him again either. Roger took another manís life. Plain and simple. What if the roles had been reversed? I'd bet most on here would want the other rider crucified! What makes what he did different? What if he would have killed a small child instead? Or your child? Or your brother? I bet you would feel a whole lot different then. Is it because he was a biker that makes you feel different? Or because he was a board member? He was our friend. But that doesn't mean he should be immortalized.

I am guilty, just as we all are, of excessive speed and stupidity. This finger is pointed at me just as much as anywhere else. We need to see this as our wake up call!

The thing that really gets me is you want to organize a ride, with 100+ bikes, lots of them new riders, most of them never having ridden in a group that large, and parade them through the busy and crowded streets of Houston, on Cinco De Mayo! You are just asking for someone else to get hurt. If you want to honor Rogerís memory, and want to honor his family, Jorden and his family, and Lydia, then slow your riding down. This also applies to me as well. But donít put others lives at risk trying to memorialize a good man that took the life of another. If he would have been the oncoming bike, the innocent one in all of this, then a memorial ride would be appropriate. If you must have a memorial ride, then ride for Jorden and Lydia, not the man who took the life of another, and destroyed the lives of all those associated with them.

My prayers go out to Rogerís family, and to all the victims involved, as well as all those who loved them.
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Old 04-26-2007, 06:09 AM   #2
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Tim, that is the single best post I have seen on the subject. Took lots of stones to say it and I applaude you for seeing through to the truth in the matter. Hopefully it will sink in to at least one person and we can stop trading lives for thrills on public roads.
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I think it becomes taboo (for the lack of a better word) to speak negatively on a situation that involves the death of a friend. I believe people knew the circumstances of the accident and that it didn't need to be mentioned. I believe that im doing a memorial ride to celebrate the life of roger not this one unfortunate mistake.

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I think it becomes taboo (for the lack of a better word) to speak negatively on a situation that involves the death of a friend. I believe people knew the circumstances of the accident and that it didn't need to be mentioned. I believe that im doing a memorial ride to celebrate the life of roger not this one unfortunate mistake.

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I also mentioned earlier I accepted responsibility for my selfish actions. I realize the way I have been riding is wrong, dangerous and stupid. I am sure Roger realized that too, and he paid for it with his life.
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:11 AM   #6
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"I believe people knew the circumstances of the accident and that it didn't need to be mentioned. I believe that im doing a memorial ride to celebrate the life of roger not this one unfortunate mistake. "

I don't know... what I saw it seemed like the initial response ignored the impact/extent of the incident...
Maybe it's not good to discuss in certain of those thread, but what took place, the mistakes that were made, most definitly needed to be mentioned/discussed. Three families directed impacted, two that have lost a child, one with a child in an ICU ward. Each on of these victims, had someone close to them that have been affected by this, and their families.

It's that accident, it's impact that should be burned into your memory when you get ready to get on that bike and out on the road.
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I think the best way to remember the incident would be to discuss the event in all detail and learn from the mistakes made. I am sure roger would not want any of us to gfo down the same path he did. Lets learn from this and hopefully make ourselves better riders and give a thought to roger each time we come across a tempting piece of road and pay our respects to him and keep our wrist in check.
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I think the best way to remember the incident would be to discuss the event in all detail and learn from the mistakes made. I am sure roger would not want any of us to gfo down the same path he did. Lets learn from this and hopefully make ourselves better riders and give a thought to roger each time we come across a tempting piece of road and pay our respects to him and keep our wrist in check.

Very well put.
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I think the best way to remember the incident would be to discuss the event in all detail and learn from the mistakes made. I am sure roger would not want any of us to gfo down the same path he did. Lets learn from this and hopefully make ourselves better riders and give a thought to roger each time we come across a tempting piece of road and pay our respects to him and keep our wrist in check.
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I personally did not know any one of them. What THEY might have done could have been wrong. I dont know, I was not there. But if it happened like it was put out, then each one of them took the responsibility on their own if they did nothing to stop it. There are no murderers in this situation. It was not planned so it couldnt be premeditated. Wrong, yes you are right. They all made a wrong choice that night and unfortunatley they and others have suffered from it. But I say again, Roger can not be guilty of homicide, he along with the others accepted the risk, and did nothing to stop it.
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I personally did not know any one of them. What THEY might have done could have been wrong. I dont know, I was not there. But if it happened like it was put out, then each one of them took the responsibility on their own if they did nothing to stop it. There are no murderers in this situation. It was not planned so it couldnt be premeditated. Wrong, yes you are right. They all made a wrong choice that night and unfortunatley they and others have suffered from it. But I say again, Roger can not be guilty of homicide, he along with the others accepted the risk, and did nothing to stop it.

Im sorry im a little confused here. Please explain. Was I supposed to stand up at lunch and say "guys, we ride a little too hard and fast, lets go home". I realize alot, and I mean ALOT, could have been different, but there is nothing I can do to change that now. And as I said before twice, I have accepted responsibility for my actions.
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i think you got me wrong, i was not bashing on you. I was trying to say that everyone knew the risks that night including the riders that are lost. they knew that this could happen. so there is no way that Roger could have been the cause as stated in the first post of this thread.
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i think you got me wrong, i was not bashing on you. I was trying to say that everyone knew the risks that night including the riders that are lost. they knew that this could happen. so there is no way that Roger could have been the cause as stated in the first post of this thread.
Thanks for clearing it up. You are correct, I believe we all knew the risks. Sorry I misunderstood.
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people need to watch this once a month to constantly remind themselves of the consequences of riding unsafely.

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Good post Tim.
I agree 100%. Don't let this mistake be in vain. Learn from it and hopefully it will save yours and possibly someone elses life one day.
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But I say again, Roger can not be guilty of homicide, he along with the others accepted the risk, and did nothing to stop it.

What is a drunk driver charged of when he kills someone in an auto becuause of his bad choice to drive while under the infuence. Maybe not homicide, but he is charged, manslaughter or something.
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