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Old 02-06-2014, 03:29 PM   #1
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Better track bike- GSX-R 600 vs R1

So track season is around the corner, and I'm in the market for my first track bike. A little of my history:

Started riding track last season, did 2 trackdays on 2 very different bikes.

1. TWS (Texas World Speedway) on an old POS Suzuki Bandit 600- good because I didn't care much about its condition, had been down several times through the years, and I had another bike for daily use. Not so good- old, buzzy, carburated air-cooled, not enough power to keep up with the modern sportbikes- was barely overtaking the 250s.

2. MSRH on my daily rider- a Ducati 1200. tons more power, especially in the straits, but worried the out of me considering it's brand new, my main form of transportation, and I'm still making payments on it. Plus it's geometry wasn't really meant for the track.

So I've since sold the old Suzuki, and am looking for a true track bike. I'm currently looking at 2 bikes, roughly the same age, roughly the same price.

Basically, I want to know which you guys think I'd have more fun with, and which one looks like the better deal.

1. The 600, loaded out for the track, Ohlins suspension, includes more goodies like tire warmers, extra plastics, etc.

2. The R1- not so loaded out for the track, but 1000cc vs 600- I've grown to love the literbike- like power of my Duc on the street, but is this too much for the track?

Also: I rode level 1 both times, but would like to move up to level 2 soon.

What do you guys think? Links are at the bottom.

http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/4309482467.html

http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/4321065791.html

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Old 02-06-2014, 03:42 PM   #2
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600. may not have top speed of the r1 at the end of the straight at TWS (Texas World Speedway) but will be faster on most of the track besides that one front stretch. Personally i have had more fun on my 600 bikes i owned over my r1
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I have never ridden a 1k on the track but the only place the power would really come in handy is the front and back straight at TWS (Texas World Speedway) other than that 600 a little lighter. Also consider tires, 1k's eat them a lot faster than a 600.
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and here's why:


1. everyone has one so spare parts everywhere

2. can focus on learning to turn without fear of highsiding to the moon

3. everyone has one so good setups (rake/trail, ride height) is well known
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GSXR

and here's why:


1. everyone has one so spare parts everywhere

*the world is a veritable gsxr graveyard

2. can focus on learning to turn without fear of highsiding to the moon

*a liter bike WILL lose traction, ALOT. Stick with the 600.

3. everyone has one so good setups (rake/trail, ride height) is well known

*great point, especially since the one you are looking at is already set up
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I have never ridden a 1k on the track but the only place the power would really come in handy is the front and back straight at TWS (Texas World Speedway) other than that 600 a little lighter. Also consider tires, 1k's eat them a lot faster than a 600.
Another great point. Not only will you be afraid of losing traction, you will also be shredding rears 2-3 times faster than on a 600.
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and here's why:


1. everyone has one so spare parts everywhere

2. can focus on learning to turn without fear of highsiding to the moon

3. everyone has one so good setups (rake/trail, ride height) is well known


^^^^What he said. Don't overlook an sv or 250 as well though, plenty of fun and cheaper plus easier on tires
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^^^^What he said. Don't overlook an sv or 250 as well though, plenty of fun and cheaper plus easier on tires
SV has plenty of power for the track and its so much fun to pass the faster 600s in the corners...and I may know of one pretty well setup for sale


If you just have to rely on straightline power to have fun at the track then the 600 is easier to handle in the corners and plenty of powet. Also as a level one/2 guy and even most level 3 guys...you can't outride the capability of a 600
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600, nuff said already.
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The liter bike will hide your mistakes when it comes to lap times and there is no way around the tire thing.
I learned more and got faster on a SV650 than any other track bike I've owned.
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Old 02-06-2014, 08:15 PM   #14
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I ride/race a SV650 on the track regularly, have ridden a 250 in 1 endurance race at TWS (Texas World Speedway), and yesterday for the first time ever I rode a CBR1000 (at MSRH). I rode the CBR all day and can say without a doubt that the power is exhilarating. Back straight passing through 100 mph, roll on full throttle and the front comes off the ground. Pulling through 150 mph and it's still going strong. I've never experienced anything like it before. HOWEVER, the straights are a tiny part of the track as you're almost always setting up for corner entry, braking to the apex, or exiting a corner and rolling on the gas.

So for me the liter bike was a blast and the power was just outright silly fun. But for me the corners is where the real fun is at and my SV is more rewarding. And it's even easier on the tires than the 600 supersport.

And regarding the 250cc bikes... I have never laughed so much while riding a motorcycle as I did riding that 1 hour in the endurance race. It just cracked me up to go into a corner with barely any braking and go back to full throttle with a knee on the ground. And you may go all year on 1 set of tires.
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r1, you're used to liter bike power. I rode mine with stock suspension for years, even on the track and managed some 1:41s in that form at MSRH.

Those bikes handle like a dream once you set them up properly, I miss my R1 man. I would take that one
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Definitely the R1, so you can keep the guys who are faster in the curves from passing you.
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But in all seriousness- a modern 1000cc I4 is a monster on the track. Way more than you are used to handling. The Strada has nothing on an R1, or for that matter a 600, when it comes to the track.

My buddy Dwight was shopping for a Pike's peak strada when I got him to reluctantly hop on an FZ1. That I4 curve is a different ballgame
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Thanks guys

Thanks for all the input guys. I'm leaning more towards the GSXR 600, at the moment. Looking back on it, I had more fun, and definitely learned a lot more pushing the limits of the old 600, than I did barely utilizing the power of the 1200 Duc. Like you guys said, the power covers up mistakes/imperfections. With the Duc, I found myself focusing much less on my cornering technique, for instance, when I knew I could pass just about any bike out there in the straits, if I wanted to. The 600 was more fulfilling, now that I look back on it. Plus it sounds like the GSXR would be cheaper to own and operate in the long run. I'm gonna go check it out tomorrow, and if it looks, good, I'll probably end up with the GSXR. May end up with a liter track bike one of these days, but I think this one would make a good starter. Thanks for all the advice
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