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Old 02-02-2014, 11:28 AM   #21
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WOW...did you pull that number off the internet or do you have an owners manual to back up the 16K mile oil change interval?

CBR 250 is around the 8K mark as is the ninja 300 if I remember right.. but on that bike, I would do it around the 5K mark..

IMO oil changes are cheap, stick with the owners manual or do it more often if you want.

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If it was only USA demand and sales scooters probably wouldn't exist.

but...

Scooters are much cheaper than motorcycles most everywhere else in the world and outsell motorcycles about 10 to 1 (made up number but I bet pretty close). The step through frame, ease of operation and high mpg makes them very utilitarian and an essential form of transportation. Since all manufacturers already have them coming off the assembly lines in the hundreds of thousands they simply import a few a year here to the US and price them higher due to low demand.

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Check it out in euros.

Its not just bout going fast...
I think scooters are more about practical transportation. they are more practical than a motorcycle.

Like I said I considered getting one for commuting while deciding on a first bike and was real close to buying one.
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I should have clarified what class of scooter. Arguments are being mashed up to include the good parts of $2500 dollar 50cc scooters and $10K dollar 650cc Burgman scooters. I am talking about the 200-300cc italian scooters that run 4-6K I see buzzing around medical center. It is rare you see the rider wearing even an open face helmet. 35mph crash could easily get them a crushed face and less skin than they need.

I think a dual sport thumper setup for luggage, or even a small adv bike, would more comfortable and possibly just as practical.
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Also you mention the little tires. They are very cheap to replace and less sprung weight normally = smoother ride when it comes to suspension.

I thought about getting a 600cc scooter for commuting but I decided I wouldn't fit into the "scooter crowd"
The only thing I disagree with are smaller wheels being more comfortable and even more so where you typically see scooters riding. Inner loop roads are garbage. I would say those tiny tires are a borderline death trap.

Your scooter crowd comment is telling because I think their rise in popularity is due to the hipster crowd that didn't go buy an old UJM.
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Next time. Today was a washout. I tip toed through the the wet in one session.
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I may have been talking out of my a bit with the small tire comment. I've never rode a scooter on the interstate. As a teen I rode a 50cc scooter for a while before I had a DL back when I lived in FL. Seemed to have a smooth ride compared to my SV..but it was a very long time ago with a much younger body, so hard to say for sure.

I do know that a lighter tire/less sprung weight is easier on the suspension, but size also does play a big role.
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Nah, likely you didnt becuase thats just it. Youre a...

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How old are you? You were worried about fitting in? I think it was the other way around!
I'll be 30 in August. I'm not looking forward to it. Either way I didn't get the silver wing because I felt like the practicality wasn't worth hearing everyone's and I wanted to go on motorcycle group rides once and a while.

Also I know a few douchebags who ride on a ruckus, so maybe I'm biased...but most scooter guys I have met are douchebags compared to the motorcyclist's I've met.

PluS as someone learning to ride, I wanted to learn on a manual transmission
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CBR 250 is around the 8K mark as is the ninja 300 if I remember right.. but on that bike, I would do it around the 5K mark..
Honda's recommended oil change interval is 8K for every CBR.
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I should have clarified what class of scooter. Arguments are being mashed up to include the good parts of $2500 dollar 50cc scooters and $10K dollar 650cc Burgman scooters. I am talking about the 200-300cc italian scooters that run 4-6K I see buzzing around medical center. It is rare you see the rider wearing even an open face helmet. 35mph crash could easily get them a crushed face and less skin than they need.

I think a dual sport thumper setup for luggage, or even a small adv bike, would more comfortable and possibly just as practical.


The only thing I disagree with are smaller wheels being more comfortable and even more so where you typically see scooters riding. Inner loop roads are garbage. I would say those tiny tires are a borderline death trap.

Your scooter crowd comment is telling because I think their rise in popularity is due to the hipster crowd that didn't go buy an old UJM.
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2. Why don't you have any bikes listed in your profile?
Why do I care about rider safety? Or are you talking about the proliferation of Scooters? Safety should be obvious but scooters in general because they seem overpriced compared to a Honda cb500x, or even TW200.


I'm new to the forum and didn't think a list of current and past motorcycles meant much unless I was in technical discussions.
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Why do I care about rider safety? Or are you talking about the proliferation of Scooters? Safety should be obvious but scooters in general because they seem overpriced compared to a Honda cb500x, or even TW200.


I'm new to the forum and didn't think a list of current and past motorcycles meant much unless I was in technical discussions.
I see this is your first time meeting Bevo.
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Maybe, but I change mine every 3,500 miles.
8K is in both the owner's and shop manuals. That's what Honda recommends. I change mine at 4K
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Why do I care about rider safety? Or are you talking about the proliferation of Scooters? Safety should be obvious but scooters in general because they seem overpriced compared to a Honda cb500x, or even TW200.


I'm new to the forum and didn't think a list of current and past motorcycles meant much unless I was in technical discussions.
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8K is in both the owner's and shop manuals. That's what Honda recommends. I change mine at 4K
Honda has some pretty smart guys working for them. I'm sure there is a good reason for their recommendation.

Check this page out(Yes Bevo, I know it's a french model, but there is quite a bit of other info about this subject that I've seen)http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1900212

I think the truth is who knows...it's like eggs. they keep changing their mind on whats good or bad.

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Honda has some pretty smart guys working for them. I'm sure there is a good reason for their recommendation.

Check this page out(Yes Bevo, I know it's a french model, but there is quite a bit of other info about this subject that I've seen)http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1900212

I think the truth is who knows...it's like eggs. they keep changing their mind on whats good or bad.
From your link, location of poster: Australia

Most manuals say to change oil more often for extreme conditions
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From your link, location of poster: Australia

Most manuals say to change oil more often for extreme conditions
I realize that he is not living in America. That's one of the reasons I posted it because He points out that in other countries they recommend longer intervals for the same bike models.

If you're taking the bike to the track or riding everywhere like you stole it, then it seems reasonable to cut the interval in half.

I read an article that talks about how oil reduces friction less effectively for the first 1000 miles or so, due to additives or something like that(can't remember for sure, would have to dig up the article)...so in theory you would want to strike a balance between the period after 1000 miles and before it loses viscosity and gets dirty...of course then you have some racers who change it after each race

Again, I think it's one of those things that will always be a gray area. I think that's why some car manufacturers use the electronic maintenance minders now since that bases it on driving conditions.



I tend to split the difference between "ideal condition" and "extreme condition" intervals. For example my nissan manual says 3750 miles for extreme conditions and 7500 for ideal...I try to change it a little over 5000 and call it good. My SV650 says 3500, period. that's what I do...to cut it in half to 1750 would seem extreme...maybe if I raced, but I mainly ride the speed limit

It is probably best to assume that any interval within reason will have a negligible difference in engine wear.

anyhoo I'm sure there is more room for debate about oil than world politics...but this is the scooter thread
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I should have clarified what class of scooter. Arguments are being mashed up to include the good parts of $2500 dollar 50cc scooters and $10K dollar 650cc Burgman scooters. I am talking about the 200-300cc italian scooters that run 4-6K I see buzzing around medical center. It is rare you see the rider wearing even an open face helmet. 35mph crash could easily get them a crushed face and less skin than they need.

I think a dual sport thumper setup for luggage, or even a small adv bike, would more comfortable and possibly just as practical.


The only thing I disagree with are smaller wheels being more comfortable and even more so where you typically see scooters riding. Inner loop roads are garbage. I would say those tiny tires are a borderline death trap.

Your scooter crowd comment is telling because I think their rise in popularity is due to the hipster crowd that didn't go buy an old UJM.
I think ease of use, is probably the major contributor here. Much like why most people buy automatic transmission cars. They probably prefer the wind in their face.
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