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Old 02-01-2014, 07:01 PM   #1
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Scooters

I want to know why they exist. I know the answer is style and personal preference like cruisers () but they have become expensive, real motorcycle have become relatively cheaper.

More importantly, the people riding them never have gear on. Under 40mph is the speed where gear will be the difference in not a scratch and dead. Ask Ben Roethlisberger.
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Automatic tranny, very low maintenance, lots of storage space, generally lots of features that are normally only on high end touring bikes.
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Automatic tranny, very low maintenance, lots of storage space, generally lots of features that are normally only on high end touring bikes.
Do you think auto tranny is a large draw? Most of us would consider that a con I think. They seem to be a thing of necessity for the tiny engines on scooters in order to keep them at a constant rpm (peak HP) while accelerating.

I agree storage because the general public is against mods and dealers don't stock great panniers or even think of bolting them on cheap bikes.

Are scooters lower maintenance? Most cheaper modern bikes are oil change until 16K right?

I think the main draw is style. Motorcycles have somewhat become their own culture and it is mostly negative and antisocial. Probably this is a reason so few scooter riders wear gear. To distance themselves from motorcyclists.


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all that being said, I believe a Honda ruckus would be a hoot to own!
Until you hit a pothole with those tiny tires. The Ruckus is so cheap it kills any argument against scooters but it also has storage (no lock) and a tiny engine.

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all that being said, I believe a Honda ruckus would be a hoot to own!
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Have you ever ridden one? They are fun as !! kinda like fat chicks
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I'm originally from NC and there the scooter riders are mostly people with DUIs who have lost their license. I assume its different here in TX. I don't really know. Just sayin that in NC, I believe if you're under 100cc then there's no insurance and no license required. Just have to have it safety inspected and a current license plate tag.

I've always hear them called "liquor sickles". (In NC all the liquor stores are state owned. at any time you can almost guarantee to see at least one, sometimes multiple liquor sickles at the package store.)
They had the same situation in Florida, although the engine size had to be less than 50cc. , scooter shops even advertised them as "DUI Scooters" in the front window.

As to why scooters? They are simple to operate, good on fuel, and relatively easy to fix when they break. I had a china scooter, also known as a GY6, common 150cc flat single. It was fine, fun to whip around the few curvy roads on my commute, but it did have some quality flaws even though they were easy to correct. I can imagine a Honda or Yamaha wouldn't have those quality issues, making them even more user friendly. Despite the fact that motorcyclists like the challenge and complex nature of coordinating gear shifts with throttle position with body position etc, scooter operators as a general rule just want to get where they are going. Don't get me wrong, there are scooter enthusiasts who enjoy the same aspects of riding as motorcyclists, but at least in Florida the scooters were there for transportation, not as a "lifestyle".
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First you have to distingush between a scooter and maxi scooter. Smaller scooters would be great for around town. They have built in storage(some have plastic bag hooks) get 100+ mpg. Yes some of these are used by people that have dui's and that is the form of transportation they choose.
Now the maxi scooter are a different beast. they can easily go 90+, comfortable on longer trips and get great gas mileage as well.
Other reasons are culture, there is a entire culture out there that prefer scooters (Mods). Attend one of the rockers vs mods events to understand their attraction.
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Are scooters lower maintenance? Most cheaper modern bikes are oil change until 16K right?
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WOW...did you pull that number off the internet or do you have an owners manual to back up the 16K mile oil change interval?

CBR 250 is around the 8K mark as is the ninja 300 if I remember right.. but on that bike, I would do it around the 5K mark..

IMO oil changes are cheap, stick with the owners manual or do it more often if you want.

And be carful pinning a specific speed as to when gear will prevent a death....
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WOW...did you pull that number off the internet or do you have an owners manual to back up the 16K mile oil change interval?

CBR 250 is around the 8K mark as is the ninja 300 if I remember right.. but on that bike, I would do it around the 5K mark..

IMO oil changes are cheap, stick with the owners manual or do it more often if you want.

And be carful pinning a specific speed as to when gear will prevent a death....
You stand corrected in your orthopedic shoes. It reads oil changes until 16k, meaning you only need to do oil changes until 16k, then there are other maintenance needs after that. Still not accurate but a bit clearer.
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You stand corrected in your orthopedic shoes. It reads oil changes until 16k, meaning you only need to do oil changes until 16k, then there are other maintenance needs after that. Still not accurate but a bit clearer.
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Ninja 300, pg 92 - 600, 7.6K and 15.2K with service sooner depending on conditions.
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I believe what morey intended to say is that most modern bikes don't need any maintenance other than oil changes until 16k miles. Contrary to what he said you still need to change sparkplugs, chain maintenance, air filter before you reach 16k.
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I believe what morey intended to say is that most modern bikes don't need any maintenance other than oil changes until 16k miles. Contrary to what he said you still need to change sparkplugs, chain maintenance, air filter before you reach 16k.
OH well ok. That makes way more sense..
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I want to know why they exist. I know the answer is style and personal preference like cruisers () but they have become expensive, real motorcycle have become relatively cheaper...
If it was only USA demand and sales scooters probably wouldn't exist.

but...

Scooters are much cheaper than motorcycles most everywhere else in the world and outsell motorcycles about 10 to 1 (made up number but I bet pretty close). The step through frame, ease of operation and high mpg makes them very utilitarian and an essential form of transportation. Since all manufacturers already have them coming off the assembly lines in the hundreds of thousands they simply import a few a year here to the US and price them higher due to low demand.

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Do you think auto tranny is a large draw? Most of us would consider that a con I think. They seem to be a thing of necessity for the tiny engines on scooters in order to keep them at a constant rpm (peak HP) while accelerating.

I agree storage because the general public is against mods and dealers don't stock great panniers or even think of bolting them on cheap bikes.

Are scooters lower maintenance? Most cheaper modern bikes are oil change until 16K right?
I was referring to larger scooters like 400cc+

The silverwing 600 makes 49hp, so I can't see them really needing to compensate for lack of power with an auto tranny. It would appeal to a commuter who has to sit through stop and go traffic for sure. Even a lot of the 250's put out over 25hp.

Most are either belt drive or gear driven, so no real maintenance there.
oil change intervals range from 8000-16000 from what I've seen.
A lot of models have hydraulic self adjusting valves so you don't have to do that either.
From what I can tell you change the oil, brake fluid, and the occasional fork oil/bearing lube... and if it's water cooled the coolant. It's hard to find motorcycles with that little maintenance.
Also you mention the little tires. They are very cheap to replace and less sprung weight normally = smoother ride when it comes to suspension.

Also riding position is very comfortable so that also appeals to a commuter/someone into touring.

A lot of them have digital fuel gauges and other cool electronic features that you don't normally get on a bike of comparable price.

I thought about getting a 600cc scooter for commuting but I decided I wouldn't fit into the "scooter crowd"
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Yamaha TMAX scooters are more.expensive than CBR600,r6, GSXR600,FZ9,FZ6,ninjas, etc....


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Nah, likely you didnt becuase thats just it. Youre a...

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How old are you? You were worried about fitting in? I think it was the other way around!
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Btw its not cheaper to own a maxi in my estimation, unless you do your own maintenance and work. Just taking and putting on plastics can add hours. To a bill.

Shoot while we're at it , it cheaper to own a car than own a scooter.
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