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Old 01-31-2014, 01:25 AM   #1
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Cmra Endurance racing?

I'd like a little information about what exactly endurance racing entails. I've researched and found a few articles but nothing explaining in detail. From what I've gathered it's way less intense than full out racing (superbike etc.) but extremely high in the fun factor.
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Old 01-31-2014, 01:36 AM   #2
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pretty much what you said. it's the cheapest way to race it's still competitive but the passes are way less aggressive and it's more about finishing the race without crashing then passing that guy in turn 2. it's much much cheaper to race MINI endurance then anything as the tires last almost all year and entrance fee's are 40/hr our mini endurance team cost around $300 per race weekend and I split that with 1 other guy so it was more seat time. We weren't the most competitive we just did it for fun. Big Bike Endurance now that can get really expensive quickly with buying tires and gas. most teams will run 2 rear tires and 1 front tire for a race so factor in around $400-700 for tires per race plus gas and the other essentails it can easily add up to $1000-1500 per BBE. but sprint's on a big bike can run from $1000-1500 per weekend with tires travel expenses etc included.

racing just isn't cheap but it's a blast.

mark Shim (Bluepine on here) would be a really good person to ask. He did the full endurance race season and sprints last year for CMRA on big bikes and mini's so he could get ya a run down on cost.

But I guess what your asking about is the "pace" when you mean intensity? The sprints is almost cut throat there are a few out there who do not give a dang if you crash b/c they stuffed you to make the pass. i'd say 90% of the guys don't want to make an unsafe pass and will lay back during sprints. endurance racing you have maybe the only top 2 in each class fighting each other for the first 1hr or so after that usually the field is separated by a few laps and the aggressive passing and riding goes away but still stays on a race pace.

Hope that doesn't confuse you. Hope to see ya on the grid soon. 2/15 @ MSRH is the first race weekend and endurance races are that day so you should come check it out.
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That's exactly the kind of information I was looking for. I made a huge decision recently by taking my 12' zx6r and ripping it apart strictly for the track. It's just to dangerous these days to commute on it. I want to find the best way to get as much seat time as possible, but not go broke in the process.

The endurance races are ran with multiple riders on the same machine?

What kind of skill level do you have to have to be able to legitimately compete?

My goal is to finish the track prep on my bike and get a few track days under my belt. The cost is crazy starting out with buying all the gear needed and prepping the bike.

I'd like to jump into something like endurance racing or something that's not so cut throat but still delivers the rush I crave.
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Mini Endurance is the way forward.

You do not have to be fast to race. Expert big bike racers also race mini endurance which has no novice/expert separation. Running at the front will take time if it comes at all. Most of the teams are out there for fun. The great thing about endurance is that you will always have someone to race with whether it be at the sharp end or for 25th!

Should you choose to endurance your 600, you will be spending a boat load of money. There are some silly fast guys out there as a lot them use BBE to prepare form sprints the next day. If you do gather the skill set to run at the front, you will have to throw more money at it. Dry break fuel rigs, quick change wheel kits, etc.

You know when a team with Blake Young, Joe Prussiano, and Kevin Schwantz show up and run top 5 that it is a crazy competitive series.

My advice would be to start endurance racing a mini. Chances are you'll have so much fun that you won't want to race BBE.

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you can frame swap also, this means you ride your bike and then later in the race you and a " team mate " swap bikes out.

you can register to race but just ride and and treat it like a practice , come in rest then go back out, this is not encouraged but it happenes, you still have to have the endurance equipment, fire extinguisher, protective clothing etc.

If you trust a friend endurance is a great way to start, my 1st race was endurance with a few team mates, we all rode 30 min stints, I think we finished 6th overall ?
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What kind of skill level do you have to have to be able to legitimately compete?
That's a relative question as well as some teams have some bikes specifically prepped for endurance with bigger fuel tanks, dry break fillers that dump a full tank of gas in seconds and other speedy accessories. All stuff that can make a difference when lap times are close.

On the other hand, for shorter, say 2 hour races for example, I split a race at TWS (Texas World Speedway) for an hour each on a single tank of fuel with a buddy on his Ninja. He had experience but I had never ridden a 250 until the evening practice the day before. We still finished 14th out of about 30 bikes and I probably wouldn't call either of us really fast (No offense Redford)

Go check out the lap count, lap times, and such for the last race reaults at TWS (Texas World Speedway) if you want to see the varying performance across the field:
http://www.cmraracing.com/content.ph...ults&tabid=120
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The endurance races are ran with multiple riders on the same machine?

That's the spirit of it, yes. Generally a 3-4 rider team.

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What kind of skill level do you have to have to be able to legitimately compete?
If you're not THE fastest guy in LVL3 every trackday, and everyone on your team is equally as fast, you're probably not going to be "legitimately competitive." Or what I'd define as legitimately competitive: a shot at a podium. That being said...if you're at least LVL3 pace, there's going to be lots of people out there for you to bang bars with making it lots of fun.
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Get on a 250 team and save all that bike prep for later. Come to MSRH on the 15th and check it out Weekend event schedule is posted at www.cmraracing.com

Practice starts at 8:20, sprints at 8:50, endurance race is 10:45 to 12:45. Come stop by the BRAWP pits and hang out. We'll have 4 250's and one 500 on the grid.
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If you're not THE fastest guy in LVL3 every trackday, and everyone on your team is equally as fast, you're probably not going to be "legitimately competitive." Or what I'd define as legitimately competitive: a shot at a podium. That being said...if you're at least LVL3 pace, there's going to be lots of people out there for you to bang bars with making it lots of fun.
Old slow guys can win endurance races. Not breaking down, not crashing, and riding consistently quick laps can net an outright win when the competition doesn't fare as well. I have a CMRA first place 4 hour endurance trophy at home...no idea how we won that, LOL.
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Thanks for all the great advice. There are so many things I have to consider, I had no idea. I'm gonna definitely make it out on the 15th and hopefully meet some of you!
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We're stating the same thing, you just wanted to state it in such ambigious terms that it loses all meaning.
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I'm normally around the Leather and Lace team. Almost anybody at the track can point you in their direction. I think they're going to be running a 300 this year but they have a sweet 250 too. Just look for pink cammo and you're probably found them. And my #228 SV will likely be nearby too.

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Cool, It'll be nice to meet some people from here. When I was riding street I was never able to make it to the meets due to my work schedule.
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Great thread Wolverine.

This is something that has me VERY interested for when i move back to Houston.
Am i correct that "mini" is the 250/300's?
The way i understand it is that the 250's race with the 250's now and the big bikes (600s/1ks) with the big bikes correct?

Is there a website for all this?
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New this year the 250/300/500's will all be racing together and they're now known as the "Lightweight" class. You can find all the info you need here:

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New this year the 250/300/500's will all be racing together and they're now known as the "Lightweight" class. You can find all the info you need here:

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Man! I see this thread late. I have not additional info to add, just agreeing that Lightweight/Mini bike racing AWESOME!

Making a bit bike go fast is nothing to the challenge of keeping a small bike going fast all the way around the track.
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