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Old 04-24-2007, 01:25 PM   #61
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even after i took the MSF i was still in the dark until i got a very close call, i changed a lot since and my perspective about bikes changed, beeing on motohouston for the last 2-3 years taught me the following:

Riders survival kit:

1- Ride with full gear, but remember full gear is no match to an 18 wheelers and concrete walls, helmet gloves and jackets only is not full gear.
2- Leave your ego home, it may leave you hurt or dead.
3- Avoid riding when your tired, sick, hangover or not feeling fresh since your reaction time is slower.
4- Find your inner peace and clear your mind and leave your problems behind before you get on the bike.
5- Avoid riding at night and crowded roads.
6- Race on the track, cruise on the road.
7- Challenge yourself donít challenge others, youíre faster then others when youíre faster then yourself.
8- Ride within your limits, falling behind beats falling down.
9- Anticipate other drivers moves, plan ahead, and leave yourself an escape plan.
10- You may go to a better place but you leave your loved ones destroyed. Live to ride donít ride to die.
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Old 04-24-2007, 02:13 PM   #62
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When I first started riding, it was for necessity, so I could commute. I took the MSF and rode for several years "within the limits of the law". After getting in to racing, I rode a little more "spiritedly", but I thought more "safely" too. See, if I can run with those guys on the track and do well, running the streets with these guys that don't race should be cake.

I got away with more than my share of luck in those days. I got "away" several times after we did our weekly JCI Memorial/ Allen Pkwy runs... Seeing helicopters and cruisers waiting for you at Shepard was always a good way to pick up your heart rate...

In my line of work, I see the end results of mistakes every day. I can't really think of too many times that a lack of skill, experience or knowlege wasn't the biggest determining factor in that result. Speed is the byproduct of the aforementioned factors. Speed, in almost all situations, causes every accident, and as Patrick and others mentioned, is usually speed to the excess.

I can't get too many tickets, or afford to be seriously injured with my job (I'll make it if I'm injured, but it won't be good). I personally have very poor ability to control my speed on a sportbike on the road that has curves. I'm like a fat kid in front of chocolate (litterally, and figuratively... for the comedians). So a few years ago, I decided to step away from the streets.

What do I miss about it? Lots of things, but mostly things like, night-time rides in open areas, where you can see the glow of your guages (I think that is sooo cool, gimme a set of keys and flashlight and I'll keep busy). Long trips out of state to see people or things... cagers just don't get that. Riding with friends to places, making all-day trips with a group.

While I do occasionally miss those things, it's not enough for me to go back to riding the streets- well, not EVER, but not now anyway.

I don't think people should follow my lead, I think that everyone should make their own decisions. My deal is that you are dealt with a few "luck" cards, like a cat with 9 lives. If you use them up, you're done, end of story. I think my "luck cards" on the street were just about used up after so many years of riding, and if I didn't change my ways, I was going to end up really sorry- or my Wife and kids would anyway.

I love motorcycles, I love to ride, I love to race, and I really like being around people who share that passion. We are unique breed of folks.

I am saddened by Roger's passing, he and I had some "spirited" debates on this bbs, and I am sorry I never got to meet him.

Don't use up your luck cards, ride responsibly and take your aggressive riding or stunting to the right places.
+1 Very nice piece, we agree on many things, particularly now...
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Could you elaborate a little more on how patience would help someone in a "close call" or "near-miss" situation? Patience is something that is utilized over a period of time....most things that happen on a street bike, do not happen over a period of time but rather in a split second or two. Can you please clarify?
Impatience makes people pull out to pass when there is not a clear line of sight.

Impatience makes people pull out to pass when the oncoming vehicles or curve in the road is too close.

Impatience makes people pull out to pass when they are the last one in a line of vehicles.

Impatience makes people perform abrupt rather than smooth lane changes.

Impatience makes people change lanes before signaling intentions.

Impatience makes people hit the gas when they should get off the gas - more problem with speed.

Impatience makes people lane split and weave through traffic - all dangerous manuevers.

All these things greatly increase the risk in an already risky situation - motorcycle riding.

Smooth and predictable is the key to safe riding or driving and impatience can't be a factor.
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Impatience makes people run red lights.

Impatience makes people want to be the first one through an intersection when the light changes - see item above this one.
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Impatience makes people pull out to pass when there is not a clear line of sight.

Impatience makes people pull out to pass when the oncoming vehicles or curve in the road is too close.

Impatience makes people pull out to pass when they are the last one in a line of vehicles.

Impatience makes people perform abrupt rather than smooth lane changes.

Impatience makes people change lanes before signaling intentions.

Impatience makes people hit the gas when they should get off the gas - more problem with speed.

Impatience makes people lane split and weave through traffic - all dangerous manuevers.

All these things greatly increase the risk in an already risky situation - motorcycle riding.

Smooth and predictable is the key to safe riding or driving and impatience can't be a factor.
this seems to be a matter of mere opinion... the above statements only fall true if someone is in a hurry. But what about the folks that do these things "just because" or weren't necessarily in a hurry. Does that classify as impatience? I think it would more accurately be lack of caution. And that could be for many reasons, not just impatience. Yes, impatience can cause wrecks, but I think it might be a little naive to say that is the sole reason why people do these things.
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I don't think I understand this... you say things are planned out for you already (you can't change fate) but you say you'll change your riding habits....why is that? To change your riding habits you imply that you are trying to avoid a bad situation, but in the same breath you say you cannot change your fate. I am slightly confused that is all, I'm not trying to be an (it comes natural:icon_bigg ) just trying to get a better insight to your thoughts.
Not taking anything personal . Simply put I don't control me waking up in the morning, so I can't possibly control my future either, hence changing my fate is IMPOSSIBLE. Sure I can REDUCE my risk of a fatal collision by driving safely, being more patient, etc, but i'm not going to sit here and say doing so will mean FOOLPROOF safety on my bike.

What's the risk management when some decides to run me down at a red light, what's the risk management when i'm driving down the opposite side of the rode and someone comes in my lane and hits me head on, WHAT'S THE RISK MANAGEMENT WHEN I'M SITTING IN MY CLASS AND SOME DECIDES TO SHOOT ME AND MY FRIENDS.

If it happens it happens, sure some things are avoidable which changing my habits will help, but if it's my time to go no matter how SAFE I am or how much slower I drive it's gonna happen.

Good word to use is coulda!!! Roger coulda slowed down, but he didn't...Lydia coulda stayed home, but she didn't....take if farther back and say Jordan coulda stayed in Oregon, but he didn't. They were in that place at that time for that reason, accident or not, and I'm just saying all the changes u can make in your life ARE PART OF UR PLAN. Whatever is destined for u will be, death is around the corner for EVERYONE, we just can't say how far around that corner it will be. ( this really sounds like a line outta Final Destination, but it's really not).
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Not taking anything personal . Simply put I don't control me waking up in the morning, so I can't possibly control my future either, hence changing my fate is IMPOSSIBLE. Sure I can REDUCE my risk of a fatal collision by driving safely, being more patient, etc, but i'm not going to sit here and say doing so will mean FOOLPROOF safety on my bike.

What's the risk management when some decides to run me down at a red light, what's the risk management when i'm driving down the opposite side of the rode and someone comes in my lane and hits me head on, WHAT'S THE RISK MANAGEMENT WHEN I'M SITTING IN MY CLASS AND SOME DECIDES TO SHOOT ME AND MY FRIENDS.

If it happens it happens, sure some things are avoidable which changing my habits will help, but if it's my time to go no matter how SAFE I am or how much slower I drive it's gonna happen.

Good word to use is coulda!!! Roger coulda slowed down, but he didn't...Lydia coulda stayed home, but she didn't....take if farther back and say Jordan coulda stayed in Oregon, but he didn't. They were in that place at that time for that reason, accident or not, and I'm just saying all the changes u can make in your life ARE PART OF UR PLAN. Whatever is destined for u will be, death is around the corner for EVERYONE, we just can't say how far around that corner it will be. ( this really sounds like a line outta Final Destination, but it's really not).
So it sounds like you are saying fate only regards death, not "'s plan" for you. If you believe in fate, then you believe everything you do in life is planned out and you cannot change it. But you say you can change some things, yet your life is already "planned" out. I'm still confused.
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So it sounds like you are saying fate only regards death, not "'s plan" for you. If you believe in fate, then you believe everything you do in life is planned out and you cannot change it. But you say you can change some things, yet your life is already "planned" out. I'm still confused.
NO SIR, FATE IS IN EVERY ASPECT OF UR LIFE. It was fate that brought u and ur wife together (just an example I don't know ur status), it was fate that got u laid off your Enron job 2 years b4 they fell under so u could bounce back with an even better job, it may be fate for us to meet on motohouston future hubby (j/k). FATE is 'S PLAN, and it's already at your door.

Ur choice or "free will" to make changes or not is part of ur plan!
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"Good word to use is coulda!!! Roger coulda slowed down, but he didn't...Lydia coulda stayed home, but she didn't....take if farther back and say Jordan coulda stayed in Oregon, but he didn't. They were in that place at that time for that reason, accident or not, and I'm just saying all the changes u can make in your life ARE PART OF UR PLAN. Whatever is destined for u will be, death is around the corner for EVERYONE, we just can't say how far around that corner it will be. ( this really sounds like a line outta Final Destination, but it's really not)."

Do you close your eyes and cross the street, or exit a parking lot and enter the road w/o looking first? Why not....after all by your basis, if an accident is meant to happen, it's going to regardless. For that matter do you drive with your eyes closed? There in is part of the problem with 'predestination'.
The are choices, actions & results... attributing anything beyond that, comes down to personal beliefs...which is really outside the scope of this thread.

The idea here, is doing everything reasonably possible to keep yourself in one piece and unscathed while riding, and making/keeping it safe for others.
Sure IF has decided for you to come home, then it's logical your going to go...but who's to say what IS 's will, but ? In this situation we see before us, in regards to Roger... there are reasonable, logical things that could have been done to avoid this, which very likely would have led to a different result.
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NO SIR, FATE IS IN EVERY ASPECT OF UR LIFE. It was fate that brought u and ur wife together (just an example I don't know ur status), it was fate that got u laid off your Enron job 2 years b4 they fell under so u could bounce back with an even better job, it may be fate for us to meet on motohouston future hubby (j/k). FATE is 'S PLAN, and it's already at your door.

Ur choice or "free will" to make changes or not is part of ur plan!
so with this being said, if you (or anyone) were to "change their riding habits"...they wouldn't be doing themselves any good would they? Because their life is already planned out, therefore any changes made, would not be changes but merely part of the plan....right? Or in other words...

jump on, hang on, and hope for the best = fate.
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Do you close your eyes and cross the street, or exit a parking lot and enter the road w/o looking first? Why not....after all by your basis, if an accident is meant to happen, it's going to regardless. For that matter do you drive with your eyes closed? There in is part of the problem with 'predestination'.
The are choices, actions & results... attributing anything beyond that, comes down to personal beliefs...
very good, valid point!
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In my line of work, I see the end results of mistakes every day. I can't really think of too many times that a lack of skill, experience or knowlege wasn't the biggest determining factor in that result. Speed is the byproduct of the aforementioned factors. Speed, in almost all situations, causes every accident, and as Patrick and others mentioned, is usually speed to the excess.

I can't get too many tickets, or afford to be seriously injured with my job (I'll make it if I'm injured, but it won't be good).
Out of curiosity (as you guys probably noticed by now, I am very curious person),
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Don't agree with you, but it's good that you believe in something that strongly.
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Almost, but not quite. Sure they would definately be doing themselves good! I'm saying they are going to choose to be a better rider or choose not to b/c that's what they were fated for, either way it's part of their plan. U can be the safest mo fo on ur $h!t and still get killed in an accident that just wasnt ur fault. When it comes to ur bike, no matter how safe u r, THE RISK IS ALWAYS THERE, and if it's ur fate to fall victum to the risk, then it is what it is.

Bottum line, I believe SAFETY IS necessary, and it was my fate to be close enough to this incident for me to take heed that I'm not so safe all the time, and when my time is up, not matter how it happens it's my time.
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"Good word to use is coulda!!! Roger coulda slowed down, but he didn't...Lydia coulda stayed home, but she didn't....take if farther back and say Jordan coulda stayed in Oregon, but he didn't. They were in that place at that time for that reason, accident or not, and I'm just saying all the changes u can make in your life ARE PART OF UR PLAN. Whatever is destined for u will be, death is around the corner for EVERYONE, we just can't say how far around that corner it will be. ( this really sounds like a line outta Final Destination, but it's really not)."

Do you close your eyes and cross the street, or exit a parking lot and enter the road w/o looking first? Why not....after all by your basis, if an accident is meant to happen, it's going to regardless. For that matter do you drive with your eyes closed? There in is part of the problem with 'predestination'.
The are choices, actions & results... attributing anything beyond that, comes down to personal beliefs...which is really outside the scope of this thread.

The idea here, is doing everything reasonably possible to keep yourself in one piece and unscathed while riding, and making/keeping it safe for others.
Sure IF has decided for you to come home, then it's logical your going to go...but who's to say what IS 's will, but ? In this situation we see before us, in regards to Roger... there are reasonable, logical things that could have been done to avoid this, which very likely would have led to a different result.
An after u've done everything REASONABLY POSSIBLE, your fate steps in to put u in the result!!! It's not that hard
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An after u've done everything REASONABLY POSSIBLE, your fate steps in to put u in the result!!! It's not that hard
you either have a predetermined fate or you have free will. With free will, you choose what and how you do something/anything. With fate, it is how it is and nothing you do can change it, regardless. There's no "fate putting you in it after you've done what you could." It's all fate or no fate.

fate is kind of like the law....it's either legal or illegal....it can't be "kind of illegal"....does that make sense?
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Actually "The American Heritage dictionary" defines fate as: 1. the supposed force or power that determines events. 2. a final result; outcome.

I'm simply saying the choices u make as apart of ur "free will" are part of the predetermination of ur fate. U make the choices, and those choices are apart of ur fate.

Going back to the whole driving blind concept. Yeah I could go out and choose with "free will" to drive blind, but it will be my fate to either die or just cause an accident with serious injury, either way it's the plan i was given!
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