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Old 01-31-2014, 09:07 AM   #41
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I saw someone split the lanes this morning around 5:30 AM at the booth on BW8 and Veterans Memorial. Don't care who you are. If you do that you are a cheap douche.
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until they remove the cameras from "above" and start shooting from the side, they'll never see my plate. And its a factory mount.


and what's this "Mr Mobility" video? I googled it but it just comes up as wheelchairs and stuff
Watch the video. Mr. mobility is that who looks like Donald Rumsfeld who was explaining that tolls for motorcycles are the same because all you wild men on motorcycles make it difficult to perform mobility services.

His last name is Storey. I prefer calling him Likely Storey instead of mr. mobility
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:34 AM   #43
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Same here. They placed more "sensors" to cover all the road. To catch the plates but its only effective if they can see the plates. They keep records of repeat offenders until they finally catch it and charge up.
If they can't see your plates on the previous photo's how do they determine that you are a repeat offender?
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Match up gear and bike in pictures? Don't know. Seems like if you frequently change up your gear (helmet designs and jacket at least) they'd have a hard time proving it's the same bike/rider.
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I do have to wonder about the service comment. If the issue is service not wear and tear than you could argue that 18 wheelers should be priced the same as autos. It is the same service they receive. I would think the biggest issue with service are the people that don't have ez tags and sit in the line to pay. More eztags = less service personal.
So lower the price
Encourage ez tags
cut 10% of the staff

It is not complicatd.
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I do have to wonder about the service comment. If the issue is service not wear and tear than you could argue that 18 wheelers should be priced the same as autos. It is the same service they receive. I would think the biggest issue with service are the people that don't have ez tags and sit in the line to pay. More eztags = less service personal.
So lower the price
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It is not complicatd.
Another reason 18-wheelers pay more is that they are commercial vehicles.
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So if you own an 18 wheeler to haul your private stuff then you get charged the same as a car?
Nope, you could be getting paid for hauling "private stuff"
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and by "private stuff" he's talking about trafficking drugs.

I think what Mr. Likely Storey was trying to say is that they are providing a service of faster mobility and that wear and tear on how fast that mobility is could be equally as important as road wear. (face it no one wants to pay to ride the toll road and still sit in traffic)

An 18 wheeler takes up the same foot print as 3-4 cars and they generally drive/accelerate slower and in general disrupt traffic around them when they have to switch lanes, people have to give them more space, ect...bottom line is that a greater ratio of 18 wheelers to cars equals a lot more congestion/slow moving traffic

an additional axle also takes up more space on the road, people tend to give them more space and they also drive/accelerate slow/disrupt traffic more when they need to change lanes...same Storey as they 18 wheeler, just not as bad.

Wild men on motorcycles shut the whole freeway down, doing donuts, popping circle wheelies and just causing him to have a of a time providing mobility service, so they get charged the same as cars...Likely Storey.

He says it like we're lucky that they even "accommodate" us.
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and by "private stuff" he's talking about trafficking drugs.

I think what Mr. Likely Storey was trying to say is that they are providing a service of faster mobility and that wear and tear on how fast that mobility is could be equally as important as road wear. (face it no one wants to pay to ride the toll road and still sit in traffic)

An 18 wheeler takes up the same foot print as 3-4 cars and they generally drive/accelerate slower and in general disrupt traffic around them when they have to switch lanes, people have to give them more space, ect...bottom line is that a greater ratio of 18 wheelers to cars equals a lot more congestion/slow moving traffic

an additional axle also takes up more space on the road, people tend to give them more space and they also drive/accelerate slow/disrupt traffic more when they need to change lanes...same Storey as they 18 wheeler, just not as bad.

Wild men on motorcycles shut the whole freeway down, doing donuts, popping circle wheelies and just causing him to have a of a time providing mobility service, so they get charged the same as cars...Likely Storey.
He said "selling" not providing
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He said "selling" not providing
Thanks for pointing that out. For a minute there I forgot the toll roads weren't free.
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Thanks for pointing that out. For a minute there I forgot the toll roads weren't free.
If you're going to quote someone, at least be accurate. Storey also recommended contacting Peter Key
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Weird, it said I am in Red Oak, TX... I am actually in Houston.
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Weird, it said I am in Red Oak, TX... I am actually in Houston.
They get that information off of your computer. My corporate office is in dallas and when my computer was set up, the IT guys entered dallas as the default location...so mine says I'm from dallas even though I am in houston.
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How is a privately owned 18 wheeler thats hauling your own private stuff any different than my minivan that I use to haul my private stuff?
If your privately owned 18 wheeler is hauling my own private stuff you might be charging me a fee

Are you required to have a commercial license to operate an 18 wheeler on the public roadways? Does the 18 wheeler have to be registered as a commercial vehicle? Does the 18 wheeler owner/operator have to pay taxes that a mini-van owner does not? These are very important questions.
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They get that information off of your computer.
Kinda, it's the IP address of your company's headquarters which may even be in a different state from your PC
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I think where a lot of this argument is getting up on our end is we're throwing 18 wheeler's into the equation...notice the first thing Likely Storey jumped on was "OH we need to be charging more for 18 wheeler's!"

I think We should stick to comparing them to cars...because that's what this is really about, the fact that we pay the same as a car.
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I think We should stick to comparing them to cars...because that's what this is really about, the fact that we pay the same as a car.
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