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Old 01-23-2014, 09:53 AM   #21
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Well, like most technologies, it has to start some where, and i would rather it start now than later on when we have a seriously low and dangerous fuel shortage.
And, i apologize as i'm new 'round here, but the whole "coal burning, battery making, gas-is-better rant i hear from folks normally just sounds like an excuse . Electric vehicles are a great alternative and doesnt have to have anything to do with "being green".
There's the rub. In the same post you are worried about dangerous fuel shortage, and then say it has nothing to do with being "green". The fuel and resources it takes to make these vehicles is a great deal higher than that of a typical gas/diesel vehicle, and even those can be improved greatly. History has shown us time and time again that when a need arrises our species is capable of GREAT advances. I am not against alternative methods, but currently, these things are not what they are touted to be.
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Yeah I am all for electrics, but there is currently no reason whatsoever for me to buy one when I can get a gas powered one with similar performance for less than half the amount.

The reasoning behind getting one would be not having to go to the gas station, low maintenance, silent power train(if it makes that high pitched "tron" sound, its even cooler) and the flat power band. Right now it's just not worth paying double to me and probably most people.

If they were priced competitively, to where you could actually start saving on gas right away, without having to drive 50+ thousand miles to start saving...that's another story. I think when they develop them to that point, that's when you sill start seeing a lot more of them around.
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Excuse for what? sure companies should be doing R&D on new technologies, and if you want to support that by buying their products, good for you. Just as people didn't dump newspapers as soon as the internet was available, and just as people didn't dump their land lines for cell phones in the 80s, people aren't going to ditch their gas bikes for electrics yet. It has nothing to do with "making excuses". Its about not jumping up to overspend on inferior technology. One day, electric vehicles may be the obvious choice, but that day has not come yet.
I think thats exactly the point i was trying to make....
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In other words, just because they arent hyper efficient right now, is no excuse to discount the r&d and potential the technology has.

Like the internet, or cell phones.

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Yeah I am all for electrics, but there is currently no reason whatsoever for me to buy one when I can get a gas powered one with similar performance for less than half the amount.

The reasoning behind getting one would be not having to go to the gas station, low maintenance, silent power train(if it makes that high pitched "tron" sound, its even cooler) and the flat power band. Right now it's just not worth paying double to me and probably most people.

If they were priced competitively, to where you could actually start saving on gas right away, without having to drive 50+ thousand miles to start saving...that's another story. I think when they develop them to that point, that's when you sill start seeing a lot more of them around.
They'll be priced competitively when the government subsidizes half their cost like it does with the Chevy Volts.
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There's the rub. In the same post you are worried about dangerous fuel shortage, and then say it has nothing to do with being "green". The fuel and resources it takes to make these vehicles is a great deal higher than that of a typical gas/diesel vehicle, and even those can be improved greatly. History has shown us time and time again that when a need arrises our species is capable of GREAT advances. I am not against alternative methods, but currently, these things are not what they are touted to be.
I'm saying its better to develop the tech NOW when there is no pressing need, than try and do it if and when "panic time" comes around.
That could be very far in the future indeed. But that is no reason to not do it now.
Heck, gas has quadrupled in price in the last 15 years. We are no where near "panic mode" but i just dont see that as a reason to not develop new tech.

No one needed the internet, cell phones "why? so expensive! Why would anyone buy a cell phone? i can make calls from home!" Smart phones: "why would anyone buy a smart phone? i have the internet at home and its so slow compared to my DSL!" MP3s, iTunes, Netflix, on and on.

Anyway, i love my exhaust note, and i love I.C.E. but i also enjoy the new tech and look forward to where it will be 10 years from now.
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I understand what you are trying to say, but let me compare this to the botched rollout of healthcare.gov. R&D is fine and VERY necessary, but the resulting collateral damage is disquised as an attempt to "save the planet" when in fact it is currently WORSE for it. Again I am not against the developement, but develope it, test it, make sure it is viable, THEN release it as an alternative.

But if you want to see something cool, and look toward the future, check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica
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Well PERSONALLY i think Hydrogen is the way to go for cars. Specifically in American with our vast stretches of land. But electric bikes are cool as i think.

Although i would miss that sound,.......
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the way people drive around here, I want to be nowhere near a vehicle with a hydrogen cell...

personally, I think natural gas is just about the perfect short-term alternative fuel. not terribly expensive to convert current vehicles, just about every house could be fitted so you could re-fuel at home, much cleaner emissions than gasoline, and it's currently cheap enough that a lot of it is just burned off at wells rather than being captured to sell.
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Unfortunatly, they already quit making one of the electric bikes i wanted....
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As for the throttle limits on the eletric bikes, part of the reason is the quickness it'll drain a battery and the heat it can create. You could end up with a bike that's dead at less than 1/2 the mileage that a "noob pace" rider would get.
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